Quantum physics per an ancient entity

[varwoche]

Who better to learn quantum physics from than a 35,000 year old entity, right?

There's a psuedo documentary film out called What the #$*! Do We Know? which supposedly explains string theory and other mysteries of the universe, starring academy award winning actress Marlee Matlin no less. (I've not seen it.)

The film also features an american lady named JZ Knight. JZ is the middle-aged lady from Yelm*, WA who claims to channel an ancient and powerful entity known as Ramtha. (Oddly and comically, when Ramtha speaks through JZ, he does so with an English accent.)

JZ does more than appear in this film. It was created by several of her followers.

All I have to say about this is, well, thumbs up! I enthusiastically welcome JZ's return to the spotlight. That's because there's no nut like a home state nut, and now I might actually be motivated to read the Ramtha literature that shows up in my mailbox periodically, and excerpt it here. (I signed up on her mailing list an eternity ago, so to speak.)

So stayeth tuned.

Knight looked and talked like the love child of Zsa Zsa Gabor and William Shatner. She couldn't maintain her Ramtha accent, either, and appeared to have had bad plastic surgery—one would think with her money and connections to Atlantis she could have done better.

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* Only residents of the fine state of WA can appreciate the Yelm aspect. Suffice it to say it's a very mundane place.

 

[wipeout]

Who better to learn quantum physics from than a 35,000 year old entity, right?

Ah, physics professors ain't all bad, though.

Yeah, I wanted to see this film. It sounds unintentionally amusing.

It came out some time last year and we had a few appalled prods at it on these forums then. I'm a bit surprised that it's still hanging around some cinemas and making it into reviews.

Needless to say, the "quantum physics" in the movie seems to take the old woo-woo ideas that came from when the theory was newer and had conceptual problems but these have been removed or clarified now but usually still appear in textbooks and popular science books. Up to date textbooks have yet to really appear, as far as I know.

If someone is talking about the weirdness of quantum theory and never mention either "decoherence" or "realism" and how they fit into the explanations for that weirdness then they shouldn't be making films about it.

And I bet this film doesn't mention those.

 

[Matabiri]

* Only residents of the fine state of WA can appreciate the Yelm aspect. Suffice it to say it's a very mundane place.

I thought this was going to be a joke about Ylem, but it's actually real?

Oh well.

 

[SpaceFluffer]

If anyone claims to use Quantum Mechanics to explain something, just ask them to write down the Schrodinger equation.

It's pretty basic QM, so they should be able to do it, right?

 

[phildonnia]

If anyone claims to use Quantum Mechanics to explain something, just ask them to write down the Schrodinger equation.

It's pretty basic QM, so they should be able to do it, right?

What a great idea! A pons asinorum for pseudoscience.

Someone should ask Lifegazer to write down the Lorentz Transformation.

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Quantum physics per an ancient entity

Needless to say, the "quantum physics" in the movie seems to take the old woo-woo ideas that came from when the theory was newer and had conceptual problems but these have been removed or clarified now but usually still appear in textbooks and popular science books. Up to date textbooks have yet to really appear, as far as I know.

If someone is talking about the weirdness of quantum theory and never mention either "decoherence" or "realism" and how they fit into the explanations for that weirdness then they shouldn't be making films about it.

And I bet this film doesn't mention those.

I feel, ancient sayings can be much more than today's sayings & & that can be a basis of todays ideas & sayings. Forms, languages & presentations can be bit differant, just indicative, indirect etc. Few entitled people, who can understand the real meaning, logic & can translate it in today's language can know it. The ancient mentionings can be an indicative science from prime to end...might have seen & indicated because our ancient people might have seen/felt envery quantum part & still furthur, by attaining extreme power of vision by meditations, concentrations or otherwise i.e. indicated as "Divya Drishti" infinite/exptreme power to see/feel. Every & all basics, seems to be already created & told long back at the begining after any destruction or big-bang, not possible in today's destructive phase. We can just change, mould here & there, change language & forms, re-search, dis-cover, invent...but can't create now....probably.

 

[Donks]

Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics per an ancient entity

I feel, ancient sayings can be much more than today's sayings & & that can be a basis of todays ideas & sayings. Forms, languages & presentations can be bit differant, just indicative, indirect etc. Few entitled people, who can understand the real meaning, logic & can translate it in today's language can know it. The ancient mentionings can be an indicative science from prime to end...might have seen & indicated because our ancient people might have seen/felt envery quantum part & still furthur, by attaining extreme power of vision by meditations, concentrations or otherwise i.e. indicated as "Divya Drishti" infinite/exptreme power to see/feel.

What a load of bull.
Are you one of the "entitled people"?

 

[Ashles]

I feel, ancient sayings can be much more than today's sayings & & that can be a basis of todays ideas & sayings. Forms, languages & presentations can be bit differant, just indicative, indirect etc. Few entitled people, who can understand the real meaning, logic & can translate it in today's language can know it. The ancient mentionings can be an indicative science from prime to end...might have seen & indicated because our ancient people might have seen/felt envery quantum part & still furthur, by attaining extreme power of vision by meditations, concentrations or otherwise i.e. indicated as "Divya Drishti" infinite/exptreme power to see/feel.

What.

Ev.

Er.

 

[Kumar]

Sorry, edited & added.

Probably alike 'old wine in new/new type of bottle.

 

[Donks]

Sorry, edited & added.

Probably alike 'old wine in new/new type of bottle.

Still meaningless.

 

[Kiless]

Thanks, Varwoche! You have inspired me to write a letter to the cinema about their advertising of this film.

 

[Vikram]

Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics per an ancient entity

Few entitled people, who can understand the real meaning, logic & can translate it in today's language can know it.

I'm assuming you are one of them.

The ancient mentionings can be an indicative science from prime to end...might have seen & indicated because our ancient people might have seen/felt envery quantum part & still furthur, by attaining extreme power of vision by meditations, concentrations or otherwise i.e. indicated as "Divya Drishti" infinite/exptreme power to see/feel.

Yes they might have. And they also might have been simply talking through their hats. Any evidence that the "ancient mentionings" have verifiable claims hidden somewhere? We'll talk after you have proof.

Every & all basics, seems to be already created & told long back at the begining after any destruction or big-bang, not possible in today's destructive phase. We can just change, mould here & there, change language & forms, re-search, dis-cover, invent...but can't create now....probably.

Kumar, you are here talking about one of the great intellectual cop-outs of Hinduism.

To everyone unacquainted with the concept of "today's destructive phase", here's a little primer about this aspect of Hindu mythology:

According to Hinduism, there are four ages(yugas), out of which the fourth age 'Kaliyuga' is currently in progress. The first three ages were ages of great happiness and knowledge, while the current age is an age of ignorance and evil. It is claimed that a few hundred thousand years or so down the line, the world will be destroyed by Shiva and the cycle of the four yugas will be begun once again - in other words, the universe will undergo a cosmic rebooting.

Of course, as is the bane of all religions, Hindus have accepted these wonderful ficitonal Tolkeinesque literary constructs as depictions of reality. Hence the truly religious ones believe that since this is the 'Kaliyuga', the gods do not manifest themselves to humans anymore and the evil noose of doubt and ignorance strengthens its hold over the populace. Which is why no new knowledge can be obtained any more - we are all stuck in this horrifying dizzy spiral towards destruction, and the study of the sacred texts of the ancients are the only means by which we can achieve salvation.

Gee! What a neat explanation! "The reason why the existence of God can't be proven to you is because you have been born a few hundred thousand years too late. Also, you might want to stop all your experiments into neuroscience and particle physics. The answers are all there in the Vedas and your microscopes and accelerators are worthless."

 

[Donks]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics per an ancient entity

To everyone unacquainted with the concept of "today's destructive phase", here's a little primer about this aspect of Hindu mythology:

According to Hinduism, there are four ages(yugas), out of which the fourth age 'Kaliyuga' is currently in progress. The first three ages were ages of great happiness and knowledge, while the current age is an age of ignorance and evil. It is claimed that a few hundred thousand years or so down the line, the world will be destroyed by Shiva and the cycle of the four yugas will be begun once again - in other words, the universe will undergo a cosmic rebooting.

Of course, as is the bane of all religions, Hindus have accepted these wonderful ficitonal Tolkeinesque literary constructs as depictions of reality. Hence the truly religious ones believe that since this is the 'Kaliyuga', the gods do not manifest themselves to humans anymore and the evil noose of doubt and ignorance strengthens its hold over the populace. Which is why no new knowledge can be obtained any more - we are all stuck in this horrifying dizzy spiral towards destruction, and the study of the sacred texts of the ancients are the only means by which we can achieve salvation.

Gee! What a neat explanation! "The reason why the existence of God can't be proven to you is because you have been born a few hundred thousand years too late. Also, you might want to stop all your experiments into neuroscience and particle physics. The answers are all there in the Vedas and your microscopes and accelerators are worthless."

You know what? That explains Kumar a hell of a lot better than either of the two current leading theories, namely the biggest idiot on the planet, and the most dedicated troll to ever roam the Internet. So he's simply an extreme Hindu fanatic. Yeah, I can buy that.

 

[Kopji]

(aside)
The name of the movie is pronounced
'What the bleep do you know' and has a website at

http://www.whatthebleep.com/

 

[Kopji]

A great review:

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/blog/archives/000083.html

 

[Vikram]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics per an ancient entity

You know what? That explains Kumar a hell of a lot better than either of the two current leading theories, namely the biggest idiot on the planet, and the most dedicated troll to ever roam the Internet. So he's simply an extreme Hindu fanatic. Yeah, I can buy that.

I'm personally for locking Kumar and jambo together in a room and letting them sock the religious beliefs out of each other. We can then debate the paranormal with the survivor. Isn't that an efficient way to decimate the woos?

 

[varwoche]

Ah, the small touches. Speaking of air of authenticity courtesy of an English accent...

Here is JZ's web site. Gotta love that old fashioned font she uses on the navigation menu.

 

[vbloke]

well, we all know that the Queen's English is synonymous with intelligence... Look at Prince Charles, he must be the cleverest man on the planet...

 

[joyrex]

Re: Re: Re: Quantum physics per an ancient entity

I feel, ancient sayings can be much more than today's sayings & & that can be a basis of todays ideas & sayings. Forms, languages & presentations can be bit differant, just indicative, indirect etc. Few entitled people, who can understand the real meaning, logic & can translate it in today's language can know it. The ancient mentionings can be an indicative science from prime to end...might have seen & indicated because our ancient people might have seen/felt envery quantum part & still furthur, by attaining extreme power of vision by meditations, concentrations or otherwise i.e. indicated as "Divya Drishti" infinite/exptreme power to see/feel. Every & all basics, seems to be already created & told long back at the begining after any destruction or big-bang, not possible in today's destructive phase. We can just change, mould here & there, change language & forms, re-search, dis-cover, invent...but can't create now....probably.

Let me talk to your mother.

 

[vbloke]

Originally posted by Kumar
I feel, ancient sayings can be much more than today's sayings & & that can be a basis of todays ideas & sayings. Forms, languages & presentations can be bit differant, just indicative, indirect etc. Few entitled people, who can understand the real meaning, logic & can translate it in today's language can know it. The ancient mentionings can be an indicative science from prime to end...might have seen & indicated because our ancient people might have seen/felt envery quantum part & still furthur, by attaining extreme power of vision by meditations, concentrations or otherwise i.e. indicated as "Divya Drishti" infinite/exptreme power to see/feel. Every & all basics, seems to be already created & told long back at the begining after any destruction or big-bang, not possible in today's destructive phase. We can just change, mould here & there, change language & forms, re-search, dis-cover, invent...but can't create now....probably.

I had to reread that several times.
nope, still makes no sense