Prove the Earth is round

Hello all,
This should not be to difficult to understand. I tried it yesterday with my ten year old niece. She got it.

Ingoa, yes you can convince to ten year old like a story.

The only reason the "slope" calculations don't work for you is that you are deliberately ignoring the fact

Terry, same is the fact that you are deliberately ignoring other existing facts like homeopathy.

You can't prove the Earth is round to an idiot.

Pepto., alike I can't prove other systems like homeopathy to an idot.

Can you look at these images and tell me if you think the horizon is curved or not? If not, why not?

Dear Zep, horizon looks curved to me, may be due to visual limit.

Since when I read the following words under Mr. Zep's signature, I feel it useless to discuss furthur so Good bye in this topic:

Reality is that which, when you cease to believe, continues to exist. Phillip K Dick: alike homeopathy & earth's shape. ;)
 
Kumar
Ingoa, yes you can convince to ten year old like a story.
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You didn't listen/read properly. I said she understood! It was HER idea that this test alone cannot distiguish between a sphere and a cylinder. If you cannot compete intellectually with a ten year old kid maybe you should start thinking about joining the Sesame Street Forum. The kids might be able to teach you something.

:rolleyes:
 
Has Kumar given up and gone away?


{holds cupped hand to ear...}













Hmmmm. Someone doesn't like to learn...
 
Kumar said:
Can you look at these images and tell me if you think the horizon is curved or not? If not, why not?

Dear Zep, horizon looks curved to me, may be due to visual limit.
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Or because you can't abide that it actually IS, in defiance of your own assertions above. You tell us that we must believe homeopathy is real because you tell us you have seen it, and yet when we show you things that you CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES you will not believe us. I wonder why not? Hmmmmmmm?

I'll let you answer that yourself, Kumar - I know you are still lurking here! And I'm quite happy to respond should you ever surface again. OK?
 
Given that this whole thing seems to be a metaphor, could I point out that it can be used just as well in reverse? (Better, in fact.)

The (spherical) shape of the earth and the non-existence of any demonstrable effect of homoeopathy are both equally factual and equally well supported by evidence. But if you are a complete blockhead (or a provocative troll) it is nevertheless possible to ignore and misrepresent the evidence, and so continue to occupy the false position.

Kumar's attempts to deny the shape of the earth are laughably similar to his attempts to deny that homoeopathy is delusional. No wonder he's doing so well ignoring the evidence and occupying the irrational position on this thread - he's had plenty practice.

Rolfe.
 
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned or caught this (as I haven't read the entire thread). However, "Kumar" gave us an opportunity to prove the curvature of the earth.

Kumar said:

Kumar said:

Ex.No 3; Take a aeroplane, take it to some 10000' high, see the earth is flat or round from its windows?
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Good point - the horizon still looks flat.

Take the same airplane up to 30000' high (typical general cruising altitude for trans-Pacific 747 flights), and the curving of the horizon is plainly observable.

Q. What, besides the curve of the earth's surface, can account for this?

A. Nothing.
 
BillyJoe said:
Joshua,

That could just be an atmospheric thing.

Kumar.
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If it were some sort of refractive property of the atmosphere, then the sun would also change shape as it traversed the sky. Fact is, it stays a bright round ball even as it nears the curved horizon as observed from FL300. That, coupled with the fact that many atmospheric effects are significantly lessened due to the thinness of the atmosphere at that altitude tend to rule out atmospheric illusions. If our friend insists that observations taken from an airplane at 10,000' can be accepted at face value, then he must allow that observations taken from FL300 may also be so used.
 
If you go back to the very first post, there appears to be some sort of prohibition on photographic evidence. I think in fact that Kumar originally claimed that photographs could be faked. Some nice photographic evidence was indeed later posted, but it's true, it would be quite easy to fake a curved horizon by judicious use of a suitable lens. You'd really have to take Kumar up there and show him with his own eyes.

I think DangerousBeliefs had the right idea in his original post.
Beyond that, I'm thinking shooting Kumar into space might be the next best option.
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By the way, have you seen what he's up to now? Still running the "they used to think the earth was flat but now we know it's round" line as an argument in favour of homoeopathy. :con2:

Rolfe.
 
shemp said:
Another proof: give the idiot a shovel and tell him to start digging in the U.S. If he pops up in China, the Earth is round.

This brings up a question: If the Earth is flat, what the hell is on the bottom side?
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Four elephants on top of A'Tuin the Star Turtle....
 
Joshua,

Joshua Korosi said:
If it were some sort of refractive property of the atmosphere, then the sun would also change shape as it traversed the sky. Fact is, it stays a bright round ball even as it nears the curved horizon.....
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You do not see distortion here?

Kumar.
 
"You can't prove the Earth is round to an idiot."
I can too! I know plenty of idiots that believe the earth is round.
 
BillyJoe said:
Joshua,

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You do not see distortion here?

Kumar.
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That photograph is of San Francisco (Oakland is in the foreground), and was not taken at FL300, nor anywhere close to even 10000' ASL. In all likelihood it was taken from the top of one of the many hills surrounding the city.

The "wavering sun" and various other effects visible at or near ground level are noticably less prominent at 10000', and simply not visible at FL300. The effects are due to the (measurably) thicker atmosphere at ground level.
 
Joshua,

But I have not been on a FL100 so you could be lying to me as far as I know; or you might not be seeing correctly or there may be any number of explanations.
I still think the Earth is flat.

Kumar.
 
BillyJoe said:
Joshua,

But I have not been on a FL100 so you could be lying to me as far as I know; or you might not be seeing correctly or there may be any number of explanations.
I still think the Earth is flat.

Kumar.
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FL100, or 10000', is an altitude you designated in an earlier post, which I have quoted above. You've assigned "the horizon as viewed from an airplane at 10000' " as something that would argue for a flat earth, and yet you object at "the horizon as viewed from an airplane at 30000' " as somehow "not good enough". This inconsistency is somewhat glaring.

Yes, I could be lying to you, but I'm not; since we're playing hypothetical games here...as soon as you take the "idiot" to 10000' and say "look, the horizon is flat", I can take the same idiot in the same airplane to 30000' and say "look, the horizon is curved".

I like the "any number of explanations" part, too - especially since you seem reluctant to define them. No, atmospheric distortion won't work - I've done that in already. Anything else? Perhaps not, since there are also "any number of explanations" why the horizon looks flat even though the earth is curved, so your argument can kind of be used against your position. You probably didn't anticipate that actual pilots and/or travelers might use this forum, but failure to anticipate isn't a crime, and neither is being wrong. Just chalk this one up to a "didn't work out" and try a different angle to your homeopathy argument.
 
Don't forget, JK, that BillyJoe is playing the part of Kumar tonight. The real Kumar has given up and has gone somewhere else to play his silly "I don't care what you say" games.

You may now laugh - it is funny.
 
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