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Proof of God's existence! 1 million dollar challenge at the end! Randi better pay-up!

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This is a thread to end atheism and claims that God dont exist once and for all. I DARE anyone here refute my arguments, so far NONE have found any flaws of my argument...


Below are questions and answers that I was confronted over the years debating with many atheists.

I also have a 1 million dollar challenge at the end, this is no joke, Im serious.......


Here Ill post the proof of God's existence..........





Ultimate Reality…
“God, the giver of life??”




The first life form to evolve from earth is "Cell", the building blocks of life. It would take about 40,000 of your red blood cells to fill this letter O. A cell is alive-as alive as you are. It "breathes," takes in food, & gets rid of wastes. It also grows & reproduces (creates its own kind). And in time, it dies. An optical microscope can magnify a cell up to 2,000 times. An electron microscope can magnify a cell by 1 million times. An ant magnified 200,000 times would be more than 21/2 miles (4 kilometers) long. But even with such tremendous magnification, the detailed structure of some cell parts still cannot be seen.


Is it possible that a detailed and complex form happens by chance w/out an intelligent cause? Maybe there's a chance that computers could b formed by a series of hurricane/lightning/earthquake/ by Chance. Perhaps the lightning struck some rocks in place which caused it 2 melt & created wirings then the wind placed it in location where in Trillions of yrs earthquakes shook it & the design may possible turn into a laptop computer! But this won’t happen in a single step, but through random chance, the processor was made first, then the speakers, the keyboard, monitor, & so forth all by chance. No one dares question the laws of physics (LOL). Is this possible? NO! This analogy is IMPOSSIBLE, there’s no "chance" natural resources contain the necessary tools to create a detailed and complex laptop computer (soldering iron, laser beams, mechanical precision, proper timing &position, etc.) this requires intelligent cause. Though impossible, that analogy can be mentally visualized, unlike the claim that series of earthquakes, hurricane, sunlight, and lightning can gather atoms and molecules together, and then form it into mitochondria, ribosome, cytoplasm, nucleus, and thousands of the cell’s parts all at once then bring it to life.


For many years of observation & study, biochemists can only limitedly identify & label what’s contained in a cell, but never successful in creating one. Considering all the technologies modern science has to offer (electron microscope, etc.) they can even split an atom into half! Yet even then NOT ONE scientist are able to successfully create a single cell, NONE! If this was the case, why then do atheist claim that series of earthquake, wind, & lightning created life forms by accident "chance" when scientist with far better technology than wind & sunlight can't?


To use "natural physics" as an explanation for the atom to transform into a cell is not only unscientific, but also impossible! The cell is so tiny that as observed & studied, earthquake & lightning is incapable of creating it. Many biochemists testified, "The cell is as complex as the city of San Francisco ". It's impossible to form a tiny part of the cell such as the complex nucleus, or mitochondria, or any of cell’s parts alone out of gathering atoms, how much more impossible it is to create the whole body of cell all at once! For the whole entire body go hand in hand. It is like putting a human body parts together & bring it to life: putting a cell together is even far more impossible because of its tiny size. The impossible of the impossible. I don’t care how many millions of years lightning, earthquake and wind has. Fact is natural resources cannot gather the atoms/inert compounds, molecules together & shape it to become a cell membrane, cytoplasm, nucleus, mitochondria, etc. & thousands of other parts to form a cell, the wind cant do it, earthquake cant, neither lightning (too strong) for a cell is extremely defenseless delicate life form. I don’t care how many millions of years quantum physics, hurricane, or lightning have, FACT is no life form & creatures in this known universe can exist & function with one eye & no brain behind it, or one leg without muscles to move it. Fact is it’s all or nothing!


Don’t try to compare organisms to automobiles, car parts can wait before creating the rest of the parts, did u actually think there’s a brain lying around waiting for the rest of the parts to develop? Your strange you know that, u watch too much cartoon network! I don’t care how tiny or huge life form is (ostrich egg, cell, insects, etc) or how much time quantum physics, quantum mechanics, lightning, & wind have, the fact is the whole parts of the living organism must appear all at once or it will never survive! Impossible, no "chance" at all. This is your "belief/theory", the brain luckily appeared (nucleus), then the eyes luckily appeared, then the nose luckily appeared, etc. thousands of parts appeared all at once by luck (magic)! Super impossible! Any life form survive & grew in size because of their digestive system, liver, throat, intestines, acid, rectum, brain, muscles, etc. And to you, the complex, tiny & delicate, mitochondria, cell membrane, cytoplasm, nucleus, ribosome, etc. thousands parts of cell's body working together all appeared AT ONCE BY ACCIDENT thanks to earthquake, wind & fire. Super extra miraculously incredibly impossible!!


Ill make it easier for atheist, lets make a magic step over the impossible of the impossible, let’s just pretend that scientists were able to successfully build a cell together! Even then Ill still believe in God for the fact is, intelligence is the cause of the detailed & complex effect (scientist effort) not series of tornado, earthquake, & lightning. If the super impossibility of creating a cell were made possible, it still won’t survive for it requires one or more of its own kind! (Observed & studied) Lets make another super ultimate impossibility possible, let’s just say it survived, how then did u expect it to multiply from a single cell considering the lifespan of it is very short? If the dinosaurs with ultimate defense mechanism became instinct, how did u expect a defenseless delicate cell survive & replicate? By accident, coincidence, "chance", magic?


Evolution take is there was an earth w/a pond, hydrogen, methane & ammonia were in the pond & when lightning struck amino acids were formed, this has been demonstrated in the lab. Not all aminos were formed, however. Amino can form protein, & protein formed the first single cell. We have grave problems here because no one explains where the lightning, hydrogen, methane & ammonia came from & how to get around the missing aminos which are required for the over 200,000 proteins required for the single cell. No one can explain where ammonia, methane, hydrogen come from, but for the sake of sorry atheist, lets move on; Lets just say ammonia, methane, hydrogen popped out of nowhere magically & it formed amino acids/proteins thanks to lightning, the first single cell is composed of proteins, so what? So what if you can find a spare leg, heart, lungs, or arms out there? Does it mean that lightning, wind, & earthquake can gather the body parts together & create a living being? Do you think the wind will carry the arms, then the earthquake will shake the heart, &then the lightning will glue them together, &later on the spare parts became a living breathing person!? That’s absurd. So what if lightning can create amino acids out of the mysterious ammonia, methane, hydrogen, so what? Does it mean that Mr. earthquake, lightning, wind, & sunlight can gather the amino acids and shape it into a tiny and delicate nucleus, cell membrane, cytoplasm, mitochondria, & thousands of other parts of the cell together & then bring it to life? Fact is not one scientist w/ all the modern technology are able to successfully create a living cell, or any life form in the lab out of "atoms/particles", what made u think lightning, sunlight, earthquake accidentally did it? Not a chance. Just as there’s no "chance" a detailed laptop computer can b formed by earthquake, sunlight, wind, & lightning in a trillion years, no living cell can b formed the same way, this HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF, NEVER HAVE AND NEVER EVER WILL. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.the impossible of the impossible.

I don’t care what theory you use, theory of evolution, big bang theory, eternally oscillating universe theory, eternallypatheticatheist theory, the delusionallostkids theory, alter-elasticity theory, etc. I don’t care about supernova, quantum physics, quantum mechanics, physical pendulum, Casanova, formula E=MC2, mchammer djmix, probability, nsync-nelly dynamics, thermodynamics, virtual particle, critical density, entropy, electromagnetic force, cosmic background radiation, thermonuclear fusion, superfreak mechanics, wave mechanics, optics, etc. You can give names to what already exist as u wish, call it “stupido mechanics” do whatever u want, fact is NOT ONE among ALL of this can demonstrate creation of ANY life form, from cell to creatures. I don’t care if u measured force, angle, sound, speed, distance, length, time, weight, mass, inertia, force & torque of earthquake, wind, lightning, light, cars, airplanes, my foot up your butt, etc. (laws of physics), Fact is your measuring tape, paper, pen,& Casio stop watch cannot demonstrate creation of ANY life form. You can give names to elements that already exist (periodic table) & play around with it, mix it up etc. or clone humans off existing egg cells, so what. I don’t care if another scientist will come up with a new ways of mathematics other than “geometry & square root” naming it “geostupidroots” explaining m=5, b=3, u=1, d=4. D+U+M+B=13. -d=-4. 4(d=u)=?, etc. I don’t care if u come up with that, as Calvinist in his low life came up with something to waste peoples head with numbers, I don’t care, Fact is numbers is NOT inert compounds, particles, or atoms, number is number. You can label physics by writing measured numbers on paper, but the written numbers doesn’t become atom/particles. I don’t care how much Red ink you waste writing numbers on a paper, if you mix those written numbers with amino acid, its still just a red ink & amino acid on a paper, even if you wrote angles, light, &sound measurements on a paper, putting protein shake or creatine on top of the paper isn’t going to bring the red ink to life, weirdo.


Another especially strong evidence of God is the so-called anthropic principle, according to which the universe seems to have been specially designed from the beginning for human life to evolve. If the temperature of the primal fireball that resulted from the big bang some fifteen to twenty billion yrs ago, which was the beginning of our universe, had been a trillionth of a degree colder or hotter, the carbon molecule that is the foundation of all organic life could never have developed. The number of possible universes is trillions of trillions: only one of them could support human life: this one. Sounds suspiciously like a plot. If the cosmic rays had bombarded the primordial slime at a slightly different angle or time or intensity, the hemoglobin molecule, necessary for all warm-blooded animals, could never have evolved. The chance of this molecule's evolving is one in a zillions zillion. Add together each of the chances & u have something far more impossible than a laptop computer formed by series of hurricane, lightning, and earthquake.

There r relatively few atheist among neurologists & brain surgeons & among astrophysicists, but many among psychologist, sociologist, & historians. The reason seems obvious: the first study divine design, the second study human design.


But doesn’t evolution explain everything without a divine designer? Just the opposite: Evolution is a beautiful example of design, a great clue to God. There’s very good scientific evidence for the evolving, ordered appearance of species, from simple to complex. But there is no scientific proof of natural selection as the mechanism of evolution, Natural selection "explains" the emergence of higher forms w/out intelligence design by the survival-of-the-fittest principle. But this is sheer theory. There is no evidence that abstract, theoretical thinking or altruistic love makes it easier for man to survive. How did they evolve then?

Furthermore, could the design that obviously now exist in a man & in a human brain come from something with less or no design? Such an explanation violates the principle of causality, which states that u cant get more in the effect than u had in the cause. If there is intelligence in the effect (man), there must b intelligence in the cause. But a universe ruled by blind chance has no intelligence. Therefore there must b a cause for human intelligence that transcends the universe: a mind behind the physical universe. (Most of the great scientists (Albert Einstein, etc.) have believed in such a mind, by the way, even those who did not accept any revealed religion.)


What created the first life form? Ask yourself that question. We have an explanation, we call it God. If I make such claim, do I have proof that indeed it was God (All knowing: alpha & omega) that created the first life form? Yes I do. The proof is this. Every complex and detailed form is an effect of intelligent cause (as observed and studied), from biological to technological. Don’t say, "Well if the waves of water formed/shaped the sands differently, it doesn’t mean the waves of water have intelligence", stupid, Waves of water can move sands, but it cannot move sands to form into detailed sandcastles, maybe in trillions and trillions of years, but this is not proven, it is proven however that intelligence can make such act possible. I’m talking about detailed complex existence. Detailed cars, spaceship, computers, etc. can be designed by human intelligence, cell cant. The complex and detailed life form’s existence (cell) requires intelligence far greater than human intelligence, as scientist in their failure have proven so. Again, as biochemists will say, to clone an existing cell is possible, to demonstrate the existence of a "cell" is impossible.


"In the beggining was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God: He (The Word) was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through the Word (Him) & without the Word nothing came to be. What came to be through the Word was life (Him), & the life was the light of man."- John
"Now the earth was a formless void, there was darkness over the deep, & the Spirit of God (Word) hovered over the waters. God said, 'Let there be light’, & there was light, etc."- Genesis.
The lesson here is that intelligence and knowledge was first (Word), then water & light, and then finally LIFE. This is as close to scientific method as it can get. Intelligent act caused the water & light 2 transform (energy source) into a life form. That’s logic as intelligent engineers caused engineering, intelligent scientist caused science, intelligent atheist caused atheism, intelligent designers caused designs, intelligent artist caused art. Intelligent Lifegiver caused life... Lets compare this to atheism's teaching concerning life on earth, I call it the "Delusionallostkids theory"...read on...


There was void, nothing, & we came from nowhere like mathematics "-we r,-1234567890=1234567890 (So if your a teen & mom caught you holding 3 bottles of beer, just tell her “be quite mom, the 3 bottles of beer came out of nowhere, it was -123=123, formula E=MC2.”). Then accidentally, a cell appeared! Don’t know how but I think the hurricane, lightning, & earthquake did it by "LUCK" (Physics). Then the single cell survived like a barbarian & "accidentally & luckily" got bigger. But this didn’t happen in one single step, but through random luck/chance (Super Extra Luck). The nucleus was luckily made first, this guy u wont believe it, he was very strong & was waiting until Mr. cytoplasm appeared. Then later on mitochondria accidentally appeared, he then said to cytoplasm & nucleus "sorry guys it took me 100,000,000,000,000,000 yrs to exist, its just that Mr. earthquake didn’t shake me right at first but it doesn’t matter, I accidentally appeared now, thanks for waiting guys", then ribosome accidentally appeared, then thousands & thousands of other parts accidentally appeared to join the rest of the crew until it became a fully develop cell. Men u wouldn’t believe it but for some weird reasons the first parts were mysteriously strong & survived on their own for millions of years w/out any help until the rest of the parts appeared to become a fully developed cell. Mr. Nucleus because he was waiting so long, he was mad at the lightning & wind saying "Punks, why did u guys make me wait this long! Damn it lightning, create Mr. cytoplasm quicker next time ok!" this cell was very strong, strong enough to survive alone & replicate itself until it became trillions & trillions & turned into a fish!! This cell is over trillions years old waiting all those time for the rest of the body parts to appear! If I were u, I wouldn’t mess around with this cell, I bet 100 bucks it could knock out Mike Tyson in 3 rounds. This fish then became land mammals, then dinosaurs, then here we are today zillions of zillions of years later, we are all accidents. (In this case, u can put a raisin outside & millions of yrs from now that sun dried grape will turn into dinosaurs, fishes, birds, etc., thanks to the simple laws of physics). There’s only one choice left, God. Accept God or you’ll share this theory, the "Delusionallostkids Theory".


As a true Christian, we agree of any theories supported with evidence, from evolution to the big bang. Its common sense, existing creatures evolve over time depending on environment, weather & food supply. Lesser food intake leads to smaller life form, more leads to bigger life form. Its common sense, you don’t need to b an expert to figure that out, we evolve from conception to adulthood, as caterpillars to butterflies. Big Bang, law of Newton, math, science, history, and physics are good education, they are taught in Christian college (by the way 99% of universities are founded by Christians, from Princeton to Harvard, so atheist are ridiculous to make a claim their intelligent, when the fact is most of them earn their education from us). The Pope has said we can have an access to evolution. The church even uses true science to verify true miracles. However, we disagree with "chance, coincidence, or Super Luck" as the cause for the extremely detailed & complex life form "cell", as I wrote above, that's already proven through scientific demonstration to be impossible!
 
THEY SAID NATURE IS PURE CHANCE. BUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE??

Why do you reason with “chance” what doesn’t have a chance? I can claim that there’s a “chance” my mother will win the million-dollar lottery, even if winning is slim, fact is there is still a chance. One evidence to support my claim is that demonstration made it possible, she won the lucky 3 few times, other lottery games, & fact is many won it before. Lottery is accessible right now, there is no reason I shouldn’t be able to provide proof of “chance”. This claim of “chance” is evident.

Another example of chance is competition; there is a chance that Evander Holyfield could regain the 4th heavyweight title considering the fact that there are others who has done it before, such as Muhammad Ali. This claim of “chance” is evident as well. But why do atheist make the claim that “earthquake, lightning, wind, and hurricane or any physics” have the chance of gathering atoms and molecules together then create a living breathing life form when the fact is no evidence supports such claim. Again, for one to make a claim of “chance”, one must present evidence to support the possibility…To say “series of earthquake and lightning will make me 1 million feet tall and weigh 50 trillion tons in 30 years by chance” and to say “Series of earthquake and lightning formed a living cell in a sudden gathering of atoms by chance”, is a lie, both are impossible, both doesn’t have any evidence to support the claims of possibility…


You heard them say, "slight chance is still a chance", wrong! Through scientific observation, study & demonstration, there is NO CHANCE that any physics discovered can gather atoms & molecules together then create a living-breathing cell. To use “proof less luck” or "proof less chance" as the cause is a lie; lies is NOT a scientific proof, never is & NEVER WILL. Never again say "Why say it's God's creation if we don’t know, it just means we don’t know", we do know, we know that hurricane, wind, lightning, amino acid, protons, neutrons, all chemicals, and any of earth’s natural resource through observation, study, and demonstration cannot create "cell" by itself as science have proven so. By scientific method "chance" is a lie as demonstrated, there is no chance! And intelligence in the other hand is proven.

Intelligence can find cure for diseases, cause brain and heart surgery, cause breast implant, observation and study of events, solving crimes, molding artworks, creating cars, rocket space ships, television, refrigerators, etc. Intelligence is capable of creating and forming spare cartilages to replace missing ears or nose construction. Intelligence is also capable of creating living creatures off existing cells, from humans to insects (cloning). Intelligence are even beginning to discover growing a human heart like a plant. Can you provide one example of any detailed and complex form from biological to technological that are caused by a non intelligent matter; such as a cell phone forming a 2 story house through 8 years of lightning and hurricane or a Reebok running shoe cloning a pit bull through 6 years of rain and hurricane, are those claims true? No! So if an ignorant guy (atheist) would say electrons, protons, & neutrons are responsible for the creation of “cell”, say back to this ignorant guy “that’s proven impossible by science, if you think your smarter than science, then prove your claim”, he cant because it’s a lie. Electrons, protons and neutrons are accessible right now! There is no reason he shouldn’t be able to provide proof of “chance”, if he claims those are the cause of life form, then why not show us demonstration after all electrons are accessible here! I have judgment, and so do you, so don’t act like you don’t have one, be wise and normal, use your judgment.

Think…. I simply don’t believe a lifeless atom which have no intelligence or will can perform creation of a complex and detailed life form, otherwise you might as well say my cellular phone formed a custom 2 story 5 bedroom house complete with doors, fireplace, windows, and toilets in 10 years of hurricane and earthquake, or my shoes shaped a sandcastle modeled after the white house in 8 years of flood and tornado, how can I disagree with that if I claim that series of earthquakes, hurricane, sunlight, and lightning gathered the atoms together, then formed and shaped it into a mitochondria, ribosome, cytoplasm, nucleus, and thousands of other parts all at once to become a living breathing cell, a detailed and complex life form?


Some atheists are desperate for lies and might say, “The word ”chance” is only intended for biology, not for technological engineering”. Listen atheist kids, the definition of “chance” is=likelihood; opportunity; possibility; accidental. Did it say biological likelihood? Or did it say biological possibility? No! Why are you making your own definition of chance? Liars. I suggest you should make your own dictionary if you are that ignorant, call it the “Ignorant Dictionary”. Biology is off nature. Cars and houses are made out of metals and wood, which is from trees and rocks, which are off nature as well. Where do u think trees and rocks come from? Planet Jupiter?


Since some atheist are cone heads and stubborn, ill repeat the evidence of God once more. Higher Intelligence exist because the ordered, complex, detailed universe implies an intelligent cause. If intelligent cause doesn’t exist, then the effect (ordered & detailed life) doesn’t exist (the principle of causality) but because ordered & detailed life forms exist, then the intelligent cause exist (God); every complex and detailed form is an effect of intelligent cause (as observed and studied), from mechanical to biological. Reality triumphs over Lies, Fact triumphs over Opinion…


At this point, some atheist will be so desperate and would say “Intelligence is an idea of human concept, if you were to take it out of human concept, then there must be infinite numbers of Gods who perform creation of the universe, and there is no evidence that human life existed then.” This is a ridiculous argument, an out of topic, nobody is talking about God’s lifespan, mortality, or his personal taste, what’s the next question atheist will post? That God is vegetarian and prefers Calvin Klein underwear? The topic above is intelligence, which is proven, how did you expect a mortal intelligence could create the universe? Earth is 15 billion years old; use your brain if you have one, no mortals can live that long? God is immortal. You make a claim of “chance” and I proved your claim false by observation & study; I make a claim of “Intelligence” (God), why don’t you try to prove “intelligence” false instead of maneuvering and changing topic? I know why you wont try, because you cant! Fact is intelligence is proven. This proves a pretty thick slice of God: some designing intelligence great enough to account for all the design in the universe & the human mind. If that’s not God, what is it? Steven Spielberg? At this point we need a psychological explanation of the atheist rather than a logical explanation of the universe. We have a logical explanation of the universe, its called God. But atheist doesn’t like it because they can’t handle the truth.
 
IF GOD EXIST, WHY CANT HE JUST APPEAR TO ME FLOATING IN THE AIR?

Alot of the atheists I encountered ask this question, if God exist why cant he just appear to me?


First and foremost, to love God is to obey the virtues and commandments, to love God is to love your neighbors..

Why should you only love your neighbors, obey Jesus' teaching (moral guidance) if he appeared to you and did some great wonders?

Should your love for neighbors cost some price? Should you only love your neighbor if ull see great signs of wonders? What are u capable of?

If a kid is about to run over, and ur the only person who have the chance to save him, would u ran there (knowing that u will get hit) and save the child's life? Or would you only do it if the kid offered you money? WHY CANT U DO IT FOR LOVE? INSTEAD OF DOING IT FOR A PRICE?

"an evil and perversed generation seek for a sign, but not a sign will b given to them except that of Jonah"- Jesus..

The sign of Jonah was people converting without a price..

All the sign you will be given are testimonies..

When a Pharisee asked Jesus " I dont believe you are the Son of God"..

Jesus replied "If u donot believe I am the son of man, then believe in what I do.."

Jesus dont care whether you think he is God or not, what matters is that your virtous...

AND TO BE VIRTOUS, TO BE LOVING, THAT SHOULDNT CAUSE YOU ANYTHING BUT YOU SHOULD DO IT FREE OF CHARGE, IF YOU SAY YOULL ONLY BELIEVE IN GOD IF HE APPEARS TO YOU, THEN YOUR BASICALLY ASKING A PRICE BEFORE SERVING HUMANITY......

Im convinced that a Governor would prefer that you obey the rules he set and believe he dont exist, rather than believe the governor exist yet disobey his teaching.......
 
These are really old horses you are bringing out, Muscleman, my friend. Are you sure you will bet a million bucks on this? I'm a tad short on time just now, but I'll be back and address your arguments one by one. ---- Dont worry, I wont charge you ;)

Hans
 
Re: Proof of God's existence! 1 million dollar challenge at the end! Randi better pay-up!

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mchammer djmix
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LOL!

You can't touch this, because I'm too legit to quit, hey heeeeyy!


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I can claim that there’s a “chance” my mother will win the million-dollar lottery, even if winning is slim, fact is there is still a chance.
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The real question is: What is the chance you'll move out of her house in the next year?


You keep talking about:
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But why do atheist make the claim that “earthquake, lightning, wind, and hurricane or any physics” have the chance of gathering atoms and molecules together then create a living breathing life form when the fact is no evidence supports such claim.
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etc.

Um, the atoms, etc. don't need hurricanes, etc. to move around.


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I make a claim of “Intelligence” (God), why don’t you try to prove “intelligence” false instead of maneuvering and changing topic?
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Why don't you prove God true? You've just given your opinion and then declared your opinion/tantrum that natural ways are impossible.
 
Ill post my 1 million dollar challenge after I get a real good debate concerning the subject above (BELIEVE ME, I really do have a 1 million dollar challenge.)...Please, dont irritate me, I easily get mad, if your a dumb teen, or an adult who have a teenager brain, dont talk ok?

Honestly I dont call names to people who have common sense, but if your a dummy who acts smart, that ticks me off so when u post a question or an opinion, if u dont want me to call u names, make sure its a good argument.....
 
The same old boring and tired BS rehashed eternally.

Of which "god" are we speaking? There have been about 10,000 of them floating about in the silly mind of man at one time or the other.
 
Re: Re: Proof of God's existence! 1 million dollar challenge at the end! Randi better pay-up!

Whodini said:
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mchammer djmix
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Why don't you prove God true? You've just given your opinion and then declared your opinion/tantrum that natural ways are impossible.

Ok, this is what Ive been really trying to get at atheists for a long time, but we never get there.....

What kind of evidence do you want in order to b convinced that God exist? Explain.......
 
muscleman said:
Ill post my 1 million dollar challenge after I get a real good debate concerning the subject above

But, if you want a really good debate, you shouldn't show up. It dramatically decreases the IQ level of the discussion, baby.
 
I am violating my own plea in this post, but please listen, my friends. Do not reply to this troll, of all the trolls in the world, none is more obvious than this one. If you can't resist replying, just ask for this seemingly uneducated person to edit their post to make it reasonably understandable and readable. Otherwise, just allow this clockwork idiot to spin down and out of existence. Go busy yourself with a lesser troll, or read an Asimov novel.

[edit]To remove a second 'S' in Asimov because I can be a hypocrite at times, and am too lazy to turn around and glance at the books on the shelf behind me![/edit]
 
Re: Re: Re: Proof of God's existence! 1 million dollar challenge at the end! Randi better pay-up!

Originally posted by muscleman

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What kind of evidence do you want in order to b convinced that God exist? Explain.......
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muscleman,

You claimed a proof of God. I did not. Yet you want me to say what kind of evidence I need in order to be convinced?

You claimed the proof, so you should have the evidence, right?

I will look over any evidence that you may have. It is up to you to present convincing evidence.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Proof of God's existence! 1 million dollar challenge at the end! Randi better pay-up

Whodini said:
Originally posted by muscleman
It is up to you to present convincing evidence.

But how can I present convincing evidence if you will not tell me what evidence will convince you??

I for one are far more overwhlemingly convinced God exist, many others have the same conviction..But that is proof for us...

Again I first need to know what evidence will u be convinced of before I can present a "convincing evidence" TO YOU BECAUSE U R THE ONE IM TALKING TO......
 
MRC_Hans said:
These are really old horses you are bringing out, Muscleman, my friend. Are you sure you will bet a million bucks on this? I'm a tad short on time just now, but I'll be back and address your arguments one by one. ---- Dont worry, I wont charge you ;)

Hans

LOL, this is a subject, this is NOT the 1 million dollar challenge. The 1 million dollar challenge is what I can perform, I will not say it yet until I get real good arguments.
 
Khalid01 said:
I am violating my own plea in this post, but please listen, my friends. Do not reply to this troll, of all the trolls in the world, none is more obvious than this one. If you can't resist replying, just ask for this seemingly uneducated person to edit their post to make it reasonably understandable and readable. Otherwise, just allow this clockwork idiot to spin down and out of existence. Go busy yourself with a lesser troll, or read an Assimov novel.

Hear - hear!!!!!

A voice of reason in the wilderness of mankind's idiocy of gods.
 
Where have the miracle workers gone?
It appears they disappear whenever a camera shows up.
I guess the guardian angels were out for coffee on 9/11/01 or didn't care that not only were the towers going to be hit but all the bloodshed that came and is yet to occur would happen. But 9/11/01 is only recent, we've been killing each other over religion for millenia. Guardian angels don't bring down psychopaths, physical force does. We are left with the choice of killing them ourself or waiting for age to take them off the planet.
I amazed this god took such painstaking effort to make homo-sapien and constituted him/her to be so incomplete.
It is often quoted, "God's folly is greater than man's wisdom."
Perhaps that's true but the problem is that quote has been used for centuries by idiots who want to be god's chosen agents and rule the world.


No one posting on this board oversees the million dollar challenge proccess. Get a form and get in line.
 
Is it possible that a detailed and complex form happens by chance w/out an intelligent cause? Maybe there's a chance that computers could b formed by a series of hurricane/lightning/earthquake/ by Chance. Perhaps the lightning struck some rocks in place which caused it 2 melt & created wirings then the wind placed it in location where in Trillions of yrs earthquakes shook it & the design may possible turn into a laptop computer! But this won’t happen in a single step, but through random chance, the processor was made first, then the speakers, the keyboard, monitor, & so forth all by chance. No one dares question the laws of physics (LOL). Is this possible? NO! This analogy is IMPOSSIBLE, there’s no "chance" natural resources contain the necessary tools to create a detailed and complex laptop computer (soldering iron, laser beams, mechanical precision, proper timing &position, etc.) this requires intelligent cause. Though impossible, that analogy can be mentally visualized, unlike the claim that series of earthquakes, hurricane, sunlight, and lightning can gather atoms and molecules together, and then form it into mitochondria, ribosome, cytoplasm, nucleus, and thousands of the cell’s parts all at once then bring it to life.




It's VERY possible. The chances of it happening on earth are incredibly small, yes, but so are the chances of winning the lottery. SOMEBODY has to win. Just because of the immense amount of occurences that has happened throughout the universe in all of time, it's actually pretty likely that some random line of events WOULD create a cell-like form. There was a TINY chance of it happening on each planet, really. When you think of the sheer number of planets likely to exist...It would happen, eventually.
 

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