Professor charged with incest

qayak said:
For information purposes, here's the incest law in New york state:

255.25 Incest.

A person is guilty of incest when he or she marries or engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual intercourse with a person whom he or she knows to be related to him or her, either legitimately or out of wedlock, as an ancestor, descendant, brother or sister of either the whole or the half blood, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece. Incest is a class E felony.
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Do both get charged with this crime, or just one? If just one, which one? :confused:
 
Puppycow said:
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A professor at Columbia has been charged with having an incestuous relationship with his adult daughter.

Leaving aside the issue of whether closely related people should have babies, should this be a crime?
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I wonder what the law does say, since he was arrested.

To build on the thread with the 17 y.o. and 57 y.o., it is one of the case where the person HAS a position of authority (a father), and THIS case is immensely creepy due to that. I am split whether it should be forbidden by law. A sizable part of me says it should be forbidden, but OTOH I am not sure how it should be codified, because person of authority covers much more than the father. Would it be creepy if this was an uncle ? A grand uncle ? same age cousin ? older cousin ? grand cousin ? At which point the buck stops and the line drawn ? Just thinking of it give me a headache.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
While grooming is of course a realistic problem, in society, we still expect the girl to be able to make her own decisions as an adult. It is, for example, not illegal for a girl to give money to her dad, even if he may have "groomed her" into this, in fact, he very probably has, one way or another. I see no reason for why there should be special pleading for sexual actions in this case.
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Good point. I think many of us make a split at sharing biological function and giving away wealth (objects, money etc...). This is a shared social norm, but there is naturally no real "base" for it, and it can be seen as special pleading to make a difference.
 
Ryokan said:
Do both get charged with this crime, or just one? If just one, which one? :confused:
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In this case it appears to only be the father, which I think is odd in the face of that law as described. Why has the daughter not also been arrested? Or is it that only he is being reported on?
 
This is a bad thing if he did this. if he was hard up he could have hired an escort girl the same age as his daughter or even an 18 year old. No reason for this to happen. Its sick and perverted.
 
Cainkane1 said:
This is a bad thing if he did this. if he was hard up he could have hired an escort girl the same age as his daughter or even an 18 year old. No reason for this to happen. Its sick and perverted.
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Why couldn't he just do what all the other professors do, i.e., the students? I mean, hello, they're right there, and there are usually a lot of them to choose from. This is like going to a free buffet but bringing a sandwich from home!
 
I think it all hinges on one's definition of 'incest' which is, after all, a relative term.






*badum fwisshhhhh*
 
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If the only crime being considered here is 'incest', then why wasn't the daughter charged?
 
kerikiwi said:
:boggled:
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Hey, didn't say I agreed with it, but there's no sense ignoring the fact when you are trying to do a study on human behaviour.

Oh, by the way . . . even our relatives, the great apes, have an general aversion to incest.
 
phantomb said:
The main reason he gives here is that incest breaks the conservative view of what a family should be, which "violates the natural order" and "messes up the kids". But any first year anthropology course will teach you that there are and have been many, many functional systems of kinship relations and family units that are significantly different from the "mom, dad, kids" structure this article claims is natural and necessary. Is there evidence that children raised in an environment where incestuous relationships occur are "messed up" and "disoriented" like this article is claiming?
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Yeah, pretty much what I got from reading it as well. Start with a favoured postion, toss out a few red herrings and then focus in on confirming that position.
 
The issue for a case like this should be about consent (and any coercion) not the fact that they are biologically related. Is it in places like the USA and the UK still considered incest (and therefore criminal) if the two adults didn't know they were related?
 
qayak said:
Evidence.
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Look at all the people who have been brainwashed as children to not accept a blood transfusion, to blow themselves up for god, to hate people of a different color, to go through mutilating rituals ( female circumcision, lip plates, etc.), to be the 23rd wife of a cult leader, or any other number of things.

Your saying having sex with a parent is the one thing one cannot be brainwashed during childhood to do? That is the extraordinary claim my friend, you are the one who needs to supply evidence.
 
3bodyproblem said:
Recently I saw two different things on incest, one on an old episode of Nip/Tuck and another on...I can't remember. Anyhow, there's pretty strong evidence that the "repulsion" is actually brainwashing, and incest was/still is common in older or "other" cultures.
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Have you been to the jref before? Just because something is old doesn't make it preferable. People did a lot of crazy **** that we have come to realize has poor effects. Racisim, , capital punishment, slavery, genital mutilation, body mutilation, these are all things that are common in older or other cultures.
 
sadhatter said:
Look at all the people who have been brainwashed as children to not accept a blood transfusion, to blow themselves up for god, to hate people of a different color, to go through mutilating rituals ( female circumcision, lip plates, etc.), to be the 23rd wife of a cult leader, or any other number of things.

Your saying having sex with a parent is the one thing one cannot be brainwashed during childhood to do? That is the extraordinary claim my friend, you are the one who needs to supply evidence.
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"Making decisions you don't agree with" <> "has been brainwashed".
 
3bodyproblem said:
It's not so much supporting it, as it is making consent conditional.

I'd say there are more pervs looking for 17 year old girls than there are parents looking to date their kids. Yet one's legal and one isn't? It kinda doesn't make sense.
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Pssst, the other thread is that-a-way. I can understand your anger at not being able to get a rally going for killing a man , but keep it in the appropriate thread.
 
TragicMonkey said:
"Making decisions you don't agree with" <> "has been brainwashed".
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Really? Your using that line of logic for things like suicide bombers? For the love of logic man, kids are notorious for being able to be brainwashed by just about anything from media to peers. Parents suddenly are exempt from this? In trying to seem like the most open minded kid on the playground, you are ignoring very basic facts about child psychology. Read up on your opperant and classical conditioning, in specific the effectiveness of this on children.
 
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