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Prediction thread: What will the U.S. gov't do that most resembles the Third Reich?

What the US needs is a police force that makes secret raids on designated vicious illegals throughout the country, rounding them up and ensuring they are removed from US society. There will be so many of these illegals that large holding pens will be needed to house them before mass removal. It may be that some citizens are also potentially illegal because they belong to the same type of people. So better to filter them out of US society pre-emptively. This national police force, of course, will need to operate with some secrecy if it is to be successful. So they would probably be called the Secret State Police. Want that in German? Gerheime Staatspolizei, or you could shorten that... Gestapo.
 
Trying to predict what Trump will do is silly. What we should be concerned about is what he has done and is doing now.

Fascism isn't restricted to only the Nazis and Italians. It's a political ideology. Trump and his cronies have promoted or done many of the same things that other fascists have promoted or done.

1. Promote a Big Lie.
2. Promote distrust in the media.
3. Control the media.
4. Fear mongering directed at a common enemy, particularly a group or groups of people easily identified.
5. Extreme nationalism.
6. Promise 'law and order'.
7. Loyalty to a specific Leader.
8. Appoint judges who will enable and facilitate the ruling power and attack/remove judges who do not.
9. Promote revisionist histories.
10. Set themselves above the law.
11. Declare opponents as "enemies of the people".

This is an excellent article by Federico Finchelstein, Ph.D (History, Cornell Univ.) in which he discusses how Trump's actions compare to the rise of fascism in Germany and elsewhere. It is well worth the read.

"The fascist destruction of legality. Then and now"​

 
Stacyhs said:
Trying to predict what Trump will do is silly. What we should be concerned about is what he has done and is doing now.
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There is already an active thread for that; please refrain from deliberately side-tracking this one.

If you want to predict a new Big Lie or upcoming judicial removals or what-have-you, please feel free.

Make your beliefs pay rent in terms of anticipated experiences, or GTFO.
 
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d4m10n said:
There is already an active thread for that; please refrain from deliberately side-tracking this one.

If you want to predict a new Big Lie or upcoming judicial removals or what-have-you, please feel free.

Make your beliefs pay rent in terms of anticipated experiences, or GTFO.
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My goodness. I'm not 'deliberately side-tracking' this thread so your hostility and nasty "GTFO" are uncalled for.

ETA: My post must have really triggered something for you.
 
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For the analogy to really work as an analogy should, the new regime has to center some sort of nationalism, presumably American NationalismWP of the sort favored by Charles Lindberg and his "America First" supporters, or the Know NothingWP folks who preceded them.

Exactly.
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"America First" has been a slogan of Trump's for years now.
 
arthwollipot said:
"America First" has been a slogan of Trump's for years now.
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Yeah, but it's just a slogan. Trump's only interest in America is how much personal benefit he can wring from it. A real nationalist would give at least one quarter of a small crap about the place.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yeah, but it's just a slogan.
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I don't entirely agree that it's just a slogan. Several of the policy objectives pursued (or at least promoted) by the current administration can only make sense in terms of unilateralism or non-interventionism in international relations, and it's fair to say they have undermined international institutions such as the UN and NATO.

That said, I'm unsure how we get from "America First" (as it has been preached and practiced) to something reminiscent of "Deutschland über alles" in particular. Non-interventionism is almost the exact opposite of invading Poland and Ukraine for the lebensraum.
 
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d4m10n said:
I don't entirely agree that it's just a slogan. Several of the policy objectives pursued (or at least promoted) by the current administration can only make sense in terms of unilateralism or non-interventionism in international relations, and it's fair to say they have undermined international institutions such as the UN and NATO.

That said, I'm unsure how we get from "America First" (as it has been preached and practiced) to something reminiscent of "Deutschland über alles" in particular. Non-interventionism is almost the exact opposite of invading Poland and Ukraine for the lebensraum.
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I think the Ukraine "deal" is symptomatic of what the actual intention is. Not an America isolated, but an America mercenary: we'll interfere in foreign affairs but only to get stuff we want. Trump's idea of "making deals", as one-sided as possible. We'll help Ukraine --within limits-- but it'll cost them their mineral resources. We'll try to gouge other countries, too. "Run the country like a company", a predatory, unfeeling, treacherous company with no concept of honor or ethics.

We're not going to be isolationist, the world has too much left to loot.
 
PitPat said:
Before anybody says it, US had Japanese internment camps during WWII. It was a horrible stain on our history and I'm certain something like that would never happen again.
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I really don't think we'll see interment camps based on ethnicity, nationality, or national origin, even under this newly unleashed version of Trump, but I do think we might see a recapitulation of Operation WetbackWP.
 
TragicMonkey said:
We'll help Ukraine --within limits-- but it'll cost them their mineral resources. We'll try to gouge other countries, too. "Run the country like a company", a predatory, unfeeling, treacherous company with no concept of honor or ethics.
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This is a specific prediction, which I appreciate.

Nazis never held a candle to their enemies across the channel when it comes to exploiting foreign nations for resources and labor, though.
 
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Resume said:
Bloviating about acquiring Canada, Greenland, Gaza, etc. is not exactly non-interventionist.
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This thread isn't about bloviation, though, it's about actual policies which are put into place or at least attempted.

"What will the U.S. gov't do" is not unrelated to presidential pronouncements, but words alone are not doings.
 
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d4m10n said:
This thread isn't about bloviation, though, it's about actual policies which are put into place or at least attempted.

Had we predicted Mexico paying for a wall, we'd've been wrong.
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This Reich is only in its infancy. Patience.
 
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