Prediction - August 4th 2004

Lucianarchy said:


Hunty, we're not talking about the conditions in Iraq.

We're talking about the police station in Falluja.

Let me make this simple for you.

The US/coalition invaded Iraq.

They set up an interim 'puppet' council (IGC) who are not in any shape or form recognised by the Iraqi's loyal to Saddam Hussein.

The Iraqi's see this as western imperialism invading their country.

The fact that you were there, and are still ignorant of the facts, is quite astounding, to say the least.
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Let me make this simple for you, since you have never been there and still don't understand the situation:

The Iraqi police are, by vast majority, the same Iraqis who held those positions before we got there. SO the police are, for the most part, the recognized ones (or, they were until Saddam did away with the civillian police force).

The Iraqi police are assisting U.S. troops (in general), but this no more makes them a 'Western' target than Japan is a 'Western' target because they have people there.

Some Iraqis see this as western imperialism invaading, yes, and they strike out at both 'Western' targets and sympathetic Iraqi targets.

No matter how one consdiers it (unless you torture the words to the point where they have no meaning) the Iraqi police, while assiting the coalition and 'Western' troops, are not a 'Western' target but an Iraqi one. The government in Bagdhad has very little to do with the day to day operations of the police, the police do very little to assist the coalition (primarily accepting prisoners we don't want to hold and making a showing in some areas to help keep crowds away from dangerous operations, such as bomb disposal), they are made up of Iraqi citizens (including leadership), they tend to take their commands from the local 'mayor', not from the coalition emplaced government, and while they (in general) support the coalition, they are not a 'Western' target.

In any case, I still stand by my point. If your predicitons are so vague as to be useless, how the heck can you even assume they are predicitions? If the best you can get is something like you've posted so far, or something like my earlier 'prediction', then there is no proof there. Heck, I'll even narrow my time frame to the last week of June. Bet my prediction will be right, too...not to mention more accurate and precise. Nothign you have posted could lead to any sort of proof, you'll have to have specifics. The eevidence suggests that the far more likely explanation, given the absolute worhtlessness of your predictions and their unverifiability, that you are fooling yourself into these visions. If your subjective experience is all that tells you it's a prediciton (I.e.-you feel like it is), then this lends even more weight to the idea that your imagination is simply drawing likely conclusions, picking dates at random, and for whatever reason you 'feel' like you're seeing the future. If I clear my mind and wait for a date, one will pop up. It's not a prediciton, it's simply my mind wandering to a day.

Case dismissed due to lack of evidence. You may appeal with new evidcence in this case, until then, I'm done here.
 
Huntsman said:


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Some Iraqis see this as western imperialism invaading, yes [...]
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"some"?! I think that may just about be the stupidest, most ignorant thing you have farted out so far.
 
Lucianarchy said:


"some"?! I think that may just about be the stupidest, most ignorant thing you have farted out so far.
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AH, I see.

You have never been to Iraq.

You have not talked to Iraqis about twhat they believe or want.

THe only information you have is from CNN/BBC/etc.

Yet you know what they see things as? You know their thoughts and feelings?

I talked to many Iraqi civillians there, and even some of the POWs we had.

The majority want the U.S. there, and don't see it as 'western imperialism'. They do want us to hurry and get things fixed and turn it over to them, but the situation is far from it's protrayal in the media. The media are doing to Iraq what they do in Palestine and Isreal. Anti-US protests in Palestine generally involve a minority, but that isn't the impression one gets from news media. Likewsie in Iraq.

Frankly, Luci, you have no standing or basis for your assertions. I also notice you still failed to address the many other points in last post; instead you choose to squibble over a minor point that really isn't gernmaine to the discussion. Nice evasion, Bubblehead.
 
Hunstman,

You have ELOQUENTLY made a complete mess of Luci !

Pretty funny considering you are an “ignerent” soldier and she/he/it is a master expert in Psi ! (bwahaha.. whatever the hell that is)

Don’t leave though.. your insights here are fantastic and I am sure most of us here like to hear from people “on the ground” much more than us armchair experts !

People forget that Iraq was ALWAYS a model of secularism in the Arab world and was a very advanced well developed country.. in fact until he went of the rails with paranoia it was even a fairly well run dictatorship !

A HUGE number of Iraqis are Urbane secularists who WOULD love the US to straighten things out. Luci doesn’t realise that moderate secularists do NOT march and chant in mobs in the street.. they don’t make good copy.. they also don’t want to make themselves a target for the fringe nutters !

I hope the US sort things out there.. wether they can or not may be another thing .. I wish them the best of luck though.
 
Where I live (Ottawa, Canada) there are quite a few families of Middle-Eastern origin. They have kept their culture alive, from their religious practices to the clothing they wear. They often speak in Arabic.

Does that make my building a Middle-Eastern target?
 
Huntsman said:
This, from someone who uses 30 second sound bites as their primary source :rolleyes:

As I stated before, I'm done here, especially considering that Luci can't even confine her/his/itself to addressing the main points.
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This from someone who uses what Iraqi prisoners of war as a primary source for what most Iraqi's think of the invading west.:rolleyes: They are so ◊◊◊◊ scared they will probably say whatever you want / expect them to say. Idiot.

"done"? Over-done is more like it.
 
Lucianarchy,

For the 6th time:

Regarding this new prediction of yours that will happen on August 4th 2004:

  • What "living systems" "consciously involved" are you talking about?
  • What "participants" are "co-operative"?
  • Do you get predictions, yes or no?
  • Do these perceptions come through guided, structured meditation sessions, yes or no?

Please answer the questions. They are polite, reasonable, rational questions about a claim you have made.
 
Here is another prediction. Tomorrow, a brunette will make the headlines in a western newspaper.
 
Lucianarchy said:


This from someone who uses what Iraqi prisoners of war as a primary source for what most Iraqi's think of the invading west.:rolleyes: They are so ◊◊◊◊ scared they will probably say whatever you want / expect them to say. Idiot.

"done"? Over-done is more like it.
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I don't know what posts you've been reading, but Huntsman has stated that he has talked to more than Iraqi POW's. He's talked to Iraqi citizens and civilians. You are the idiot.
 
Thanks, thai.

In fact, the vast majority of my conversations were with civillians in the towns we were operating in.

And the prisoners (not all were war prisoners, some were civil prisoners we were holding at the request of the local leaders until they could be turned over to civillian authorities) were hardly scared. Some were, yes, but we had many that wanted to get captured again (because they were given clean water, food, and medicines, and generally treated well).

In addition, there are many other sources of inrormation out there, my opinions are not based soley on personal experience. Schools have been rebuilt and are being restocked, political prisoners from Saddam's regime have been released, electrical generation is swiftly being restored, water purification is being implemented, food is more readily available, medicines are being provided and countless lives saved (and quality of life improved) by them (example, almost no insulin exists in Iraqi clinics...we provided it to clinics in the area we covered), sanitatry facilities are being built and saniation instruction is being given (many clinics dispose of medical waste by dumping it outside on the street; we saw many Iraqi children poking each other with discarded syringes). This is a just a few off the top of my head things I can mention. While some of the die-hard politicals that had it good during Saddam's reign are against us, at least an equal number are glad we went in and are pleased with our changes. They do want to rule themselves (and I do not fault them), but that's different from claiming they don't want us there at all.
 
Huntsman,

My cousin's husband has been stationed in Basra. He is a very experienced UN soldier. His views reflects yours.
 
The spirits are speaking...

I'm new here, so I don't know the history of different posters. I came across the first post in this thread and I thought "OK, this is a joke, a parody of a cold-reading." Only after reading the first few posts did I realize this was supposed to be a real prediction.

Lucian says the vagueness is subjective. Here's a clue: If you could open a random newspaper from a random city on a random date and find an article describing "something awful happening to a Western target", then the prediction is vague. And you could.

Let me clarify for our poor psychic: Your prediction is so vague that you can find an event that fits in ANY newspaper from ANY major city on ANY date. OK? That's vague.

Don't believe me? Wait... the spirits are speaking. Something awful happened once to a Western target. The spirits tell me they will speak through three separate people to prove their power. If one person gives me a year (from say 1995 on), one gives a month, and one gives a day, I predict something awful happened on that exact day and I will pull up a newspaper clipping to prove it.

But there's more: The spirits tell me something awful will be reported in the Washington Post tomorrow! In the Metro section! Now, if that's not specific, what is?
 
Re: The spirits are speaking...

rppa said:

Don't believe me? Wait... the spirits are speaking. Something awful happened once to a Western target. The spirits tell me they will speak through three separate people to prove their power. If one person gives me a year (from say 1995 on), one gives a month, and one gives a day, I predict something awful happened on that exact day and I will pull up a newspaper clipping to prove it.
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OK, I'll bite....
the year is 1985.

So now you're waiting on two more people to provide months and days.
 
I posted the following to myself on 7/11/01:

In mid September a tragedy will befall New York City. The reprecussions of this tragedy will take a generation to pass. I see fire and destruction. I see planes crashing into buildings.
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I also told my wife and he will swear to the truth of it. I opened the letter to myself in her presence on 9/12/01.

It was a horrible, wrenching experience for me and it has convinced me of the truth that there is "something" beyond us that wishes to communicate. The sceptic will say that this is not true but I am willing to produce my evidence, take a lie detector test and swear to it's truth to the peril of my immortal soul if I lie. I am a successful businessman and well repected in my community; I have no reason to lie and open myself to mockery.

Your doubts say more about you than about my experience. I have nothing but pity for you.
 
Re: Re: The spirits are speaking...

Sloe_Bohemian said:


OK, I'll bite....
the year is 1985.

So now you're waiting on two more people to provide months and days.
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Well, I said "from 1995 on" but I'm fairly sure that 1985 is included in the online index (which was my concern).

The spirits have guided the audience to September 27, 1985. I find the following from the Washington Post archives:

Hurricane Gloria struck the east coast.

Reporter David Ottoway reports that the Iran-Iraq war has taken a serious turn for U.S. interests, as noncombatant oil tankers are being attacked.

Gun battles erupted as two different groups of Sudanese soldiers mutinied.

Three bombs explode in South Africa.

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Whichever of those resonates most with you as fitting the spiritual prediction must have been the one they were talking about. The spirits are never wrong!
 
Excellent. Not a good as my 9/11 scam... uhhhh prediction, but good.
 
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