Possible fate of Trump's ballroom

[TragicMonkey]

they just plamás him

Thanks for introducing a word new to me.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Thanks for introducing a word new to me.

It's a good word.

 

[Jim_MDP]

Apologies, new to the thread...

Has the now very real looking "AI Data Center" angle been confirmed?

 

[LDE1976]

Damn.. I wanted to get in there with 'Mike Johnson in a pear tree'

If Trump was British, I'd have gone for "A hard drive linked with Yew Tree".

 

[dudalb]

And the traditonal Christmas eve Jazz Christmas Music concert at Kennedy Center (yes,s the omission is deliberate) was pulled by it;s producer.
I got a felling we will have lots of cancellisations over the next few months, and new big time acts will be hard to sign for the DC Center.

 

[Norman Alexander]

And the traditonal Christmas eve Jazz Christmas Music concert at Kennedy Center (yes,s the omission is deliberate) was pulled by it;s producer.
I got a felling we will have lots of cancellisations over the next few months, and new big time acts will be hard to sign for the DC Center.

Not to worry. Trump will hold UFC events there.

And Ted Nugent.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Not to worry. Trump will hold UFC events there.

And Ted Nugent.

Performing before a crowd of Thou.... Hundr.... Some.

 

[Helen]

Performing before a crowd of Thou.... Hundr.... Some.

The biggest and best some ever, some people are saying.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Apologies, new to the thread...

Has the now very real looking "AI Data Center" angle been confirmed?

'Drumpf's _________ is a lie' could be the title of a video on pretty much anything the chubby little bastard pushes. Except promises of various cruelties, he dutifully follows up on those.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Apologies, new to the thread...

Has the now very real looking "AI Data Center" angle been confirmed?

Nope, not happening. Because of one thing: air. Data centres need circulating air, LOTS of air, preferably cooled air. Being underground, that implies big air-condition plants and perhaps cooling towers nearby above ground. It also implies massive infrastructure to handle the power required to run both the air plant and the data centre itself. Plus all the power and communications feed-ins and substructures required. None of that fits with the "giant ballroom" design being waved about.

 

[Jim_MDP]

You should watch the video then.

Eta: The idea is a new one to me, that's why I asked. But she isn't just floating an idea out of the blue... her presentation is compelling.

 

[ZiprHead]

You should watch the video then.

Eta: The idea is a new one to me, that's why I asked. But she isn't just floating an idea out of the blue... her presentation is compelling.

That video was where I got the idea of a data center to be a conspiracy theory.

A bunker complex is much more plausible.

 

[Norman Alexander]

That video was where I got the idea of a data center to be a conspiracy theory.

A bunker complex is much more plausible.

That's what it was before.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

That's what it was before.

Yes but did it have gold toilets and a secure McDonalds kitchen (staff to be kidnapped from the nearest branch in case of flag going up) and an indoor driving range?

I think not.

 

[stanfr]

That video was where I got the idea of a data center to be a conspiracy theory.

A bunker complex is much more plausible.

I just saw the video, came on here to see if there were any insights. It does sound like classic conspiracy claims to me, although she does cite her sources at least. There are some claims that needed infrastructure is being brought in onsite, so I would think that would alert people to keep a closer eye on what is actually being brought there. The main claims from the video are that the donor's list and chief contractor looks like a who's who of data center and military intelligence builders, and that that requests for power capacity increases were made that would be 5X the existing demand of that area. I've linked the text version below to make it more palatable to take in. I can't say I'm convinced by the argument, but it has made some interesting claims that I would not immediately dismiss either.

Ballroom or AI center?

 

[Tero]

 

[stanfr]

Nope, not happening. Because of one thing: air. Data centres need circulating air, LOTS of air, preferably cooled air. Being underground, that implies big air-condition plants and perhaps cooling towers nearby above ground. It also implies massive infrastructure to handle the power required to run both the air plant and the data centre itself. Plus all the power and communications feed-ins and substructures required. None of that fits with the "giant ballroom" design being waved about.

Presumably she addresses that in the following quote from the story. I'm not qualified to know whether it is feasible or not.

"Carrier Corporation is donating HVAC systems. But Carrier has a division called Carrier Quantum Leap - their data center solutions offering “comprehensive energy efficient solutions for data center thermal management.” Are they donating a basic ballroom AC system, or their specialized data center cooling infrastructure?"

 

[bruto]

Nope, not happening. Because of one thing: air. Data centres need circulating air, LOTS of air, preferably cooled air. Being underground, that implies big air-condition plants and perhaps cooling towers nearby above ground. It also implies massive infrastructure to handle the power required to run both the air plant and the data centre itself. Plus all the power and communications feed-ins and substructures required. None of that fits with the "giant ballroom" design being waved about.

It seems unlikely, but we are in an age of unlikeliness. You know why a data center won't work, but we're dealing with an idiot who believes that he knows more about everything than anyone else. I think when evaluating plans like this one must factor in the amount of fawning, graft and gross incompetence of just about everyone involved. Fearless leader wants a data center? Line up with your hand out and say "Yassuh boss!" Tear down another wing for the cooling towers. Run ducts up Pennsylvania avenue and paint them gold. Or just realize too late that it won't work, and blame Biden.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Presumably she addresses that in the following quote from the story. I'm not qualified to know whether it is feasible or not.

"Carrier Corporation is donating HVAC systems. But Carrier has a division called Carrier Quantum Leap - their data center solutions offering “comprehensive energy efficient solutions for data center thermal management.” Are they donating a basic ballroom AC system, or their specialized data center cooling infrastructure?"

That's for above-ground DC's. There are plenty of air cooling solutions for those. But they take up real estate and power.

Data center HVAC cooling

Data center HVAC cooling systems. How the different types work and comparision of design with CFD, CRAC units, hot and cold aisle, hot aisle containment, cold aisle containment, free cooling, evaporative cooling, chillers, cooling towers, central plant

theengineeringmindset.com

The DC proposed would be enclosed underground, possibly buried quite deeply. Given its (proposed) size, the HVAC requirements would be nearly as big as the big beautiful ballroom above it, and if built there certainly would impinge on that part of the building. It would become a tiny beautiful ballroom with a major noise problem 24x7.

The idea is "feasible" but also "not gonna happen".

 

[stanfr]

That's for above-ground DC's. There are plenty of air cooling solutions for those. But they take up real estate and power.

Data center HVAC cooling

Data center HVAC cooling systems. How the different types work and comparision of design with CFD, CRAC units, hot and cold aisle, hot aisle containment, cold aisle containment, free cooling, evaporative cooling, chillers, cooling towers, central plant

theengineeringmindset.com

The DC proposed would be enclosed underground, possibly buried quite deeply. Given its (proposed) size, the HVAC requirements would be nearly as big as the big beautiful ballroom above it, and if built there certainly would impinge on that part of the building. It would become a tiny beautiful ballroom with a major noise problem 24x7.

The idea is "feasible" but also "not gonna happen".

Yes, that totally makes sense, thanks for the info.
The way I understood her theory (and as with all conspiracy theories its a bit intentionally obtuse) is that the plan is not to hide a DC with a ballroom, it is not to build a ballroom at all. The ballroom is just the excuse to build the DC, and once people recognize that, it is too late cause Trump's already secured his life term as president and the elections have been fixed. Obviously that presumes a much bigger conspiracy, but that part of the conspiracy is already accepted by many who see Trump as just a pawn in a game run by the Oligarchs; Thiel, Altman etc. Guess we'll find out soon enough!