Possession

[Operaider]

It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between a true believer and a sarcastic skeptic

 

[JMEJAM]

secondly how could a medical condition be responsible for the telekinesis & words on his back ?

I suggest you look up the word "dermagraphia" or "dermographia" in a medical encyclopedia.

Jeff

 

[Dr Adequate]

Eventually an exorcism was done & Robbie was back to normal in about 3 months .

Well, I'm impressed. An exorcism is done, and THREE MONTHS LATER the kid gets better. Definitely a case of demon posession. I bet it happened five months and eleven days after a black cat crossed his path, as well. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a dodgy argument at the best of times, but you're not usually meant to have to wait "about three months" to use it.

 

[Ed]

Possessed
Timothy Dalton, Henry Czerny, Jonathan Malen, Michael Rhoades, Shannon Lawson, Christipher Plummer, Piper Laurie. Showtime. W-Michael Lazarou, Steven E. de Souza. D- Steven E. de Souza. 110 min.

"Possessed," based on the true story of the only documented exorcism performed by the Catholic church in modern-day America, premieres Sunday, 10/22/00 at 8 PM (ET/PT) on Showtime.

After the death of his Aunt Hanna (Piper Laurie), several inexplicable and frightening events take place around Robbie Mannheim (Jonathan Malen) – including screaming obscenities in a voice different from his own and summoning the power to thrust furniture at those who bully him at school. His parents turn to science and medicine to try and help Robbie but to no avail. In desperation, they call on Father William Bowdern (Timothy Dalton), a professor at the Jesuit-run St. Louis University.

After listening to the Mannheim family’s plea for help, Bowdern agrees to put his own troubles aside and try to help. He decides to perform an exorcism even though his own mental stability may be at risk.

Does this sound familiar? I’m surprised the producers didn’t get Linda Blair to do a cameo. Based on a true story, the film is nearly a duplicate of the superior "The Exorcist." Here, the child is a boy, but we have the same story structure, including a priest struggling with his own faith and a household of nonbelievers. There is a scene depicting the child playing with an Ouija board, just as Linda Blair’s character did in "The Exorcist." There’s even a duplicate shot of a priest walking up to the front door, as we saw in the poster of "The Exorcist."

http://www.moviereporter.com/reviews/possessed.html

Ho-hum

 

[jambo372]

The words on his back appeared instantly under observation ruling out dermagraphia .

 

[Ashles]

The words on his back appeared instantly under observation ruling out dermagraphia .

Jambo this is called anecdotal evidence. You can't say this in the factual way you do without some form of evidence.

Photos, video etc.

Otherwise it is only a story you have heard.



I was actually thinking about you today jambo as I remembered things I had seen and experienced when I was younger. I was a big proponent of mysterious things and had a million and one facts to throw at people. I knew all about the Siberian blast and Borley Rectory and Project Blue Book etc. I read everything I could. I still have most of the books.
I had experiences that couldn't be explained and I loved telling people about them - they got excited and told me stories of their own. Iwanted to believe.
Only later on, I realised my experiences COULD be explained. These experiences become dull and trivial all of a sudden and we don't like that feeling.
For a while I had psychic ability, and wanting that ability I ignored all the evidence against it.

Why do we want so badly to believe in these things when they have never proven to be of any actual value in our life, or of any help?

Jambo you want to believe, but you have no evidence to support your belief other than stories told or silly-season articles that the media produces that are then subsequently forgotten about. Remember Natasha Demkina? Whatever happened to her?
You want to believe.
So did I. But it all turned out to be smoke and mirrors.

And while people continue to make paranormal claims about half-forgotten people whilst at the same time they don't bother spending their time learning about the incredible detail of the scientific world and what it ACTUALLY HAS given to the world then I will continue to post here, and also argue with friends and relatives.

Science takes some work to understand, but that is infinitely preferable to blindly trusting in alternative theories that don't ever turn out to help us as people.

Rant over.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Strange phenomena occured in the priest's office when Robbie entered ,

I think we've all read and heard about these "phenomena" that occur in a priest's office...

 

[gman]

GOD gave us a choice and wanted us to have faith. If there was such a thing as proof, then we wouldn’t need to rely on faith. Would we? I’m sure there is a little demon in all of us but if GOD made it so we knew for sure there was a hell, then on the flip side, we would know there was a heaven. That would take away our choice, wouldn’t it? …. Just a thought!

 

[Operaider]

Have you met 1 in Christ yet?

1 in Christ's illogic

He's debating the same thing. He believes logic and reason are the devils tools. Sounds like I'm joking or making fun of him, but I'm not. He honestly believes it.

<---- me, burning in hell. The sin? Using my brain.

 

[steenkh]

GOD gave us a choice and wanted us to have faith.

Well, here we tend to demand proof, nevertheless. This GOD-character may be fine for people who are adept at ignoring facts and want to fit the world into a small mindset called religion.

Anyway, your reasoning would not mean much to a hindu or buddhist. If you really think that proof of extraordinary events is unnecessary, you might fell more at home on a website run by people who have the same mindset.

Your fellow believer 1inchrist actually thinks that logic and reason is created by another character called Satan to further his fail-safe plan. Whatever this plan might be, I do not know, but Satan would be welcome have a discussion here.

 

[sackett]

Come on in, all ye faithful

. . . If you really think that proof of extraordinary events is unnecessary, you might fell more at home on a website run by people who have the same mindset. . . . Satan would be welcome have a discussion here.

I see a contradiction in this: you hint that the religious should perhaps try another shop, and yet if Beezebub Himself came on line, he'd be welcome.

I say let the believers flock here all they want, and let them strew their mess up, down, and sidewise. A few may actually learn a thing or two, and the rest of them are great good fun to abuse. You couldn't play soccer without a football, right?

 

[uruk]

I never understood the logic behind Demonic possesion.
If satan is after souls why is he scaring the bejeezus out of people? That seems to be counter-intutive to his goal.
If I were satan (and I assure you, I am not) I would lure people into believing that if you follow me ; when you die you would achieve everlasting life and happiness and ...oops! Perhaps I've said too much!

 

[steenkh]

Re: Come on in, all ye faithful

I see a contradiction in this: you hint that the religious should perhaps try another shop, and yet if Beezebub Himself came on line, he'd be welcome.

Let me make this clear: Both Satan and gman are welcome here! I just thought that gman would feel more comfortable elsewhere. His beliefs could well cause him grief if he hangs around.

 

[T'ai Chi]

He continued using the ouija board to try to communicate with his deceased aunt . Gradually weird things started to happen . Scratching noises would occur in the house at first & he just began acting generally weird & out of character . Then he began to scream & swear . He developed strange psychokinetic abilities & poltergeist activity would occur around him .

Parker Brother's must have some special link to the spirit world..

 

[Ashles]

Parker Brother's must have some special link to the spirit world..

I didn't have an actual Ouija board to try this with so I had to improvise.

You may mock, but I had some real success.

The spirits said that my hat would visit Mayfair, then Piccadilly, then The Water Works.

Spooky eh?

 

[gman]

Re: Re: Come on in, all ye faithful

His beliefs could well cause him grief if he hangs around.

Please explain. I thought this was a forum to discuss thoughts and ideas.


My beliefs won’t cause me any grief. Sorry to say but people who don’t believe, are the ones you should feel for.

Reality Check!
It’s quite simple…If there were demonic possession, and I have to agree with uruk on this, why would the fallen angle try to scare people...I think not!

 

[Phrost]

Re: Re: Re: Come on in, all ye faithful

Reality Check!
It’s quite simple…If there were demonic possession, and I have to agree with uruk on this, why would the fallen angle try to scare people...I think not!

Man, a fallen angle would scare the heck out of my Geometry teacher, that's for sure.

 

[EdipisReks]

man, i could SO possess a steak right now.

 

[steenkh]

Re: Re: Re: Come on in, all ye faithful

Please explain. I thought this was a forum to discuss thoughts and ideas.


My beliefs won’t cause me any grief. Sorry to say but people who don’t believe, are the ones you should feel for.

It is a forum to discuss thoughts and ideas, and you are welcome here. I only warned you because I know that people who have strong beliefs feel uncomfortable when these beliefs are put under stress.

It seems that we can mutually feel sorry for each other. Contrary to what believers think, there is no void when the religion has gone. I have been very religious when I was a child, but gradually, as I tried to reconcile religious teachings with what I could understand of the real world, I came to see religion as just words, and by the time I was 17, my belief had just fizzled out. There was no big revelation or exhilarating experience. I felt just the same as before.

Actually, I am not trying to convert you or anybody else, so I will not start a religion-bashing thread. But I do discuss the specific issues, like in this case "possesion".

 

[Ashles]

Sorry to say but people who don’t believe, are the ones you should feel for.

As steen says, this, of course works both ways. A lot of people here feel sorry for believers and their inability or refusal to face reality. But we try to avoid geting into those sorts of debates because they don't lead anywhere interesting.
Vague dismissive statements about groups of people will only really start an argument in which neither side will be 'correct' or 'win' as it will be entirely about personal beliefs.

If you want to discuss thoughts and ideas then that will be far more welcome.