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Plane crash differences

kc440_

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Yesterday a plane went down in Nigeria after having taken off. The cause, I read, was bad weather. Many deaths, some survivors. Have you seen the photos of the airplane? How much of it is left? The people on it fried, excuse my language. There were identifiable plane parts and body parts. The passengers were "blackened."

Compare this with the Pentagon. The photo of one of the men in suits picking up a tin plane part with his bare hands. That was a crime scene and he was disturbing it and it looked like the fin of a kiddie plane from an amusement park. Yesterday's was a plane crash and fire too. Why did the Nigerian plane leave sections of itself that could be identified?

kc440 :mad:
 
kc440_ said:
Yesterday a plane went down in Nigeria after having taken off. The cause, I read, was bad weather. Many deaths, some survivors. Have you seen the photos of the airplane? How much of it is left? The people on it fried, excuse my language. There were identifiable plane parts and body parts. The passengers were "blackened."

Compare this with the Pentagon. The photo of one of the men in suits picking up a tin plane part with his bare hands. That was a crime scene and he was disturbing it and it looked like the fin of a kiddie plane from an amusement park. Yesterday's was a plane crash and fire too. Why did the Nigerian plane leave sections of itself that could be identified?

kc440 :mad:
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I'm sorry, I haven't followed the story that closely. Did the Nigerian plane fly into a building?
 
KC, while you brought this up, perhaps you can explain to me why and how the CTers got it stuck in their heads that ALL plane crashes should look alike?
 
1) I'm willing to bet the Nigerian pilot was trying to pull up out of the fall, not going full throttle into a wall. Thats why the Nigerian plane didn't break up as much. Of course, AA77 left parts that could be indentified also.

2) When was the picture refered to taken? Can you link it?

3) Who was the man?
 
kc440_ said:
Yesterday a plane went down in Nigeria after having taken off.

kc440 :mad:
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if it crashed shortly after takeoff that would imply it was nowhere near full speed, meaning less damage to the nigerian plane

assuming it crashed on the ground its motion would be parallel to the ground, not perpendicular as f77's motion was to the pentagon wall, this would result in less damage to the nigerian plane

as far as the passengers, less direct trauma so more intact bodies, and assuming i crashed in an open area less fuel for subsequent fires, so they likely would not burn as long or as hot
 
kc440_ said:
Yesterday a plane went down in Nigeria after having taken off. The cause, I read, was bad weather. Many deaths, some survivors. Have you seen the photos of the airplane? How much of it is left? The people on it fried, excuse my language. There were identifiable plane parts and body parts. The passengers were "blackened."

Compare this with the Pentagon. The photo of one of the men in suits picking up a tin plane part with his bare hands. That was a crime scene and he was disturbing it and it looked like the fin of a kiddie plane from an amusement park. Yesterday's was a plane crash and fire too. Why did the Nigerian plane leave sections of itself that could be identified?

kc440 :mad:
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KE=1/2MVV

velocity squared killed flight 77

the energy of flight 77 has a velocity times velocity of 463 KIAS

the flight in Africa crashed at slow speed 150 KIAS, it was a DC-9

multiply the velocities to get what we can call hurt factor of damage done factor

214,369 flight 77 pentagon lots of hurt, lot of damage to everyone

22,500 flight in Africa, less hurt, less damage to everyone

so pentagon had 9.5 times the energy of impact, and flight 77 impacted a structure which ripped 77 apart as flight 77 ripped into the Pentagon

Imagine you are in an accident that almost kills you at 15 mph, when you are better you go 46 mph and crash again, do you expect to live?

These impacts were different, one the pilot tried to land and crashed trying not to. The pentagon the pilot tried to crash and did it really fast.

Almost 10 times more energy is significant.
 
beachnut said:
Almost 10 times more energy is significant.
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Also keep in mind the power differential. When a plane crashes, the kinetic energy is transferred into other kinds of energy. The time in which this transfer takes place is the "power". Without getting too technical, as a rule, given equal energy, higher power can do more "damage". There is a huge difference between deaccelerating from 60mph in a few seconds versus a few milliseconds.

To bring this issue back home, a plane that "crash lands" almost never fully decellerates in a matter of milliseconds, like flight 77 did. (So things like angle of impact, crash site, geometry, all matter).
 
Anti-sophist said:
Also keep in mind the power differential. When a plane crashes, the kinetic energy is transferred into other kinds of energy. The time in which this transfer takes place is the "power". Without getting too technical, as a rule, given equal energy, higher power can do more "damage". There is a huge difference between deaccelerating from 60mph in a few seconds versus a few milliseconds.

To bring this issue back home, a plane that "crash lands" almost never fully decellerates in a matter of milliseconds, like flight 77 did. (So things like angle of impact, crash site, geometry, all matter).
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Exactly, it is more complex.
 
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Hunt the Valuejet
 
In the picture Garb posted with the burned victim, you see what else is identifiable in the shot? Office chairs.

Remember, most people killed at that location were employees in the Pentagon, not airplane passengers.
 
Have the experience of actually being at scene of high speed jet crash -
about 15 yrs ago Lear 35 ploughed into vacant lot just down street from me
As member of FD responded to scene - after fire was out (about 10 min)
assisted ME in finding body parts. Wasn't much left of plane or
people onboard. Only thing recognizable as being from aircraft was piece
of tail fin and landing gear light which traveled 75 yards down street and hit
parked car (try explaining that to your insurance company!). Only bits
and pieces of flesh left from 4 people onboard - found half of someone torso,
part of hand (minus fingers), some amputated fingers and what could be
described as "Human Hamburger". Not a lot left from high speed impact -
something moonbats neither aware of or willing to admit. Plane hit at speed
estimated from radar at about 350 mph in steep nose dive - didn't not
leave crater, just bits of metal confetti and some body parts.
 
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