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Pizzagate

abaddon said:
Are you saying you went along with the gullible herd?
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Not all the way along, by any means. Just a tiny bit. :blush:

abaddon said:
What's "creepy" about it? Personally, I consider it to be talentless, uninteresting rubbish specifically aimed at people who are affected by such drivel. That's the thing with art. It's appreciation is largely subjective. Although I must observe that you are rather easily creeped out.
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Have you really seen the works? I was even asked to pull a NSFW tab on one of them, and it´s not even a nude...

abaddon said:
Somehow, it seems to have passed you by that there is a certain type of pretentious artist and art collector/appreciator. The artist produces any old provocative drivel and the appreciator claims to appreciate it's edginess.
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Well, if it´s provocative and edgy they shouldn´t be surprised if people are "provoked".

abaddon said:
All well and good to start to backpedal now. Too late. Already, a violent crime has been committed, thankfully with no casualties.
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I´m hardly backpedalling, I didn´t go full conspiranoic to begin with, and only posted here to elicit a conversation. I feel no responsibility for the "crime".
 
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Argumemnon said:
You really have to be more and more careful about what you head on the internet and elsewhere. The Chinese Whispers effect is strong online: someone will talk about a particular artwork from mister X associated with place Y, and the next person to repost the story will include other artworks from mister X and the next thing you know, everybody thinks that the other artwork was the one originally mentioned.

It's become very difficult to know if what you read or hear is true without putting some pretty focused effort at finding out.
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To put the artwork in context, the painting is one of over 700 pieces in his collection many of which are on loan to museums around the world.
 
Spins said:
As I've pointed out earlier in this thread people who have visited Tony Podesta's home have been shocked by some of the stuff on his wall, specifically because some of it basically involves naked teens (possibly underage).

I can play devils advocate though and say he's doing it as a psychological thing to make people more susceptible when handing over money (in the form of donations) to the DNC.

But then I always harp back to his relationships with other high profile (convicted) pedophiles like Dennis Hastert, who he's known for a very long time.
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Who has visited his home and been shocked?

You do realize that he's a lobbyist and represents clients like Walmart. Why would he not know Dennis Haster, former Speaker of the House? He's paid to know these people.
 
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Abooga said:
Fair question, if I had asserted it as a fact. But if you look, I only said they looked like too many coincidnces for me, subjectively, obviously without any probabilistic calculations...
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Then as others have stated, a claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. While true for small things, we are talking about a claim that is actively damaging peoples lives and livelyhood.
 
Abooga said:
Oh, but Arnie said it!
https://twitter.com/northofdoom/status/795010037420736512
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So the entire "it's his favorite" came from the following line in an article:

"Podesta has turned his Kalorama home into a shrine to contemporary art, ranging from relatively under-the-radar artists such as Serbian painter Biljana Djurdjevic to those who are much better known (like French sculptor Louise Bourgeois)."
 
Spins said:
As I've pointed out earlier in this thread people who have visited Tony Podesta's home have been shocked by some of the stuff on his wall,
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I recall one article in this thread that seemed to be a bit of hearsay, but no specifics.

specifically because some of it basically involves naked teens (possibly underage).
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I have not seen that in this thread, but that is the impression you took from the article mentioned above.

I can play devils advocate though and say he's doing it as a psychological thing to make people more susceptible when handing over money (in the form of donations) to the DNC.
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First, you would have to clarify what you mean by "it" in this sentence before you deconstruct why he may be doing it.

But then I always harp back to his relationships with other high profile (convicted) pedophiles like Dennis Hastert, who he's known for a very long time.
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Based on that logic, here is a link to 41 probable pedophiles. Why aren't there threads about each of them and their art collections?
 
Tolls said:
But the kid has clearly just eaten pasta.
Why is that an issue?
And flattering? It's a great picture...

And? What's wrong with that one?

I'm well confused...
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Again as I've already pointed out #gaybaby was a popular hashtag back in the day it seems as a coming out thing. In the majority of the cases you'd just talk about it and use the hashtag but in some instances you'd post a picture of yourself as a kid. In this case though its usage is a little bit strange because well for one thing the guy who posted it isn't even ginger, he has black hair. So there is a very strong likelihood that it isn't him, so the combination of hashtags comes across as a little weird to me. Yes IMO the pasta hashtag seems a little out of place, but that's just me. They are all pictures of babies who are not their own, they are a couple of gay guys. So what is it all about then? All seems a little crude to me to post pictures of other people's babies, certainly not something I'd even contemplate let alone do. But as I've pointed out time and time again, what do I know I don't mix in these kinds of circles so maybe that's a "thing" in the gay community.
 
Abooga said:
Not all the way along, by any means. Just a tiny bit. :blush:
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The annual migration of wildebeest across the Serengeti springs to mind.


Abooga said:
Have you really seen the works? I was even asked to pull a NSFW tab on one of them, and it´s not even a nude...
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Yes. Uninteresting drivel. Intended to shock but fails. Intended to provoke purely on the cynical basis that there will always be some segment which is provoked and takes offence, thus creating even more "Ort" collectors to buy their paint by numbers works of "Ort" just to be trendy and exciting, not because it is good.

Abooga said:
Well, if it´s provocative and edgy they shouldn´t be surprised if people are "provoked".
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Into armed action?

Besides, it isn't that the works actually are provocative, it's that "Ortist" and patron can pretend that they are to each other.

Abooga said:
I´m hardly backpedalling, I didn´t go full conspiranoic to begin with, and only posted here to elicit a conversation. I feel no responsibility for the "crime".
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You sustained and fed it. Do not try and duck responsibility for what you posted
 
Argumemnon said:
Even if someone, somewhere, was to agree with you that they are creepy, so what? How do you go from "artwork creepy" to "buyer creepy"?

Does that include firearms? I'd be surprised.
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Hmmm, now that you mention it, the artwork based on superheros is often extremely disturbing in the depiction of violence. (not to mention depiction of abnormal sexual development, especially, but not limited to, women)

, and who is such artwork aimed at? The 13-30 year old age group perhaps.
 
Spins said:
As I've pointed out earlier in this thread people who have visited Tony Podesta's home have been shocked by some of the stuff on his wall, specifically because some of it basically involves naked teens (possibly underage).
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You keep mentioning this. And every time you're pressed on it you provide a quote that makes no mention of naked teens. Did you find a new quote? Or does it remorph in you mind?
 
Spins said:
Again as I've already pointed out #gaybaby was a popular hashtag back in the day it seems as a coming out thing. In the majority of the cases you'd just talk about it and use the hashtag but in some instances you'd post a picture of yourself as a kid. In this case though its usage is a little bit strange because well for one thing the guy who posted it isn't even ginger, he has black hair. So there is a very strong likelihood that it isn't him, so the combination of hashtags comes across as a little weird to me. Yes IMO the pasta hashtag seems a little out of place, but that's just me. They are all pictures of babies who are not their own, they are a couple of gay guys. So what is it all about then? All seems a little crude to me to post pictures of other people's babies, certainly not something I'd even contemplate let alone do. But as I've pointed out time and time again, what do I know I don't mix in these kinds of circles so maybe that's a "thing" in the gay community.
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Yet another outstanding basis on which to slander someone.
 
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