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Pizzagate

Argumemnon said:
Bloody hell.

See, Abooga? This is why you have to be careful about spreading nonsense like this.
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I agree to being careful, but not to stifling discussion about the issue. I believe talking openly and truthfully about issues brings more good than bad. But being truthful is important, both for conspiracy pushers and skeptics. For example when you summarized the case as "Clinton talked to someone once and that person knows another who has eaten pizza at some point in their lives", that was stretching the truth. When conspiracy theorists do the same thing they get called out. Well, the same should apply here. Also when someone thought that those murals depicted trees instead of the more likely pagan antlers, those kind of comments look like shill denialism, which I´d argue is more damaging than simple spreading of this CT. Conspiracy theorists can have their beliefs strengthened if they read things that look like someone is trying to cover things up, instead of openly discussing them.
 
Puppycow said:
Libel lawsuit anyone?
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The guy who keeps the site I linked to earlier (https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/)wonders why they haven´t done it already:

"12/04 – Very weird times, my friends. Supposedly a shooter walks into Comet Pizza with ‘an assault rifle’. He does not shoot. He is apprehended by police, who have shut down a very large portion of the surrounding area. First reports come in and not even ten minutes later, Washington Post has an article up on it. A street camera which yesterday was pointing in general direction of Comet is now 50% obscured by a post. That means no overhead footage exists of the incident (to my knowledge). They do not release name of the supposed gunman. Instantly the biggest DNC shills, Jake Tapper etc. begin tweeting about the “dangerous consequences” of “fake news”. About an hour later, a verified account of some unknown-to-me Guardian/Huffington Post/Vice journalist by the name of @karengeier on Twitter posts begging WordPress to take down MY BLOG because “this is where a lot of them are getting information from” and “why have something even Reddit didn’t want”. CENSORSHIP ALERT, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. Folks, please ask yourselves this – if #PizzaGate were not real, would they have needed to delete 4chan threads and subreddits and now attempt to delete A PERSONAL BLOG to hide something that is so obviously fake, in their opinion? I must ask why James Alefantis has not contacted me once either to A) clear his name and provide the rational explanation to all this or B) send a letter threatening defamation suit if I do not take down this article. A friend who is a lawyer told me it is unlikely they would risk the investigation of a defamation suit due to things such as depositions which they open themselves up to. I will provide update if any of the people in this blog contact me, which they can easily do through the contact link on this page… But alas, not a single communication has been made by the whole lot of them. What would be your first course of action if suddenly the internet [wrongly] thought you were a human trafficking pedophile? A lot of people have speculated this shooter was a false flag – a way for them to gain public approval of scrubbing the internet of it. If that happens, please don’t forget about the children and what we are fighting for. In my eyes, it would only confirm it that much more."
 
The insanity. Shocker that when the excrement hits the fan, that those responsible would claim that they are somehow the victims. Any one want to count the number of lies packed into that one statement above? I stopped at "He does not shoot".
 
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This is, in a way, worse than mere insanity. It's aggressive stupidity, and sometimes it seems like our country is drowning in it, or is even institutionalizing it; while not the exact same claim, this is the same sort of crap, for example, our prospective National Security Adviser has spread. God help us.
 
So, websites retracting/refusing to spread lies is censoring/stifling discussion?? :boggled:

The accused perpetrator believed the lies and we're supposed to allow those lies to continue?? :boggled:
 
Abooga said:
I agree to being careful, but not to stifling discussion about the issue. I believe talking openly and truthfully about issues brings more good than bad. But being truthful is important, both for conspiracy pushers and skeptics. For example when you summarized the case as "Clinton talked to someone once and that person knows another who has eaten pizza at some point in their lives", that was stretching the truth. When conspiracy theorists do the same thing they get called out. Well, the same should apply here. Also when someone thought that those murals depicted trees instead of the more likely pagan antlers, those kind of comments look like shill denialism, which I´d argue is more damaging than simple spreading of this CT. Conspiracy theorists can have their beliefs strengthened if they read things that look like someone is trying to cover things up, instead of openly discussing them.
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Are you seriously stating that in the interest of "open discussion" holding the opinion that a tree is a tree is forbidden and to be censored?

ETA: And what on earth is wrong with paganism and its symbols anyway?
 
Hlafordlaes said:
He shot a weapon inside a family restaurant with people in it, at one point directing the weapon at an employee. He did so thinking that white hate speech is not only true, but 'so true' it bears enforcing by freedom-loving dropouts, all of whom are qualified to act, because white.

Providing the shooter with excuses ('duped,' 'illness') prior to having access to the facts, showing sympathy ('ruined own life') and suggesting light sentencing belie the feeble protestations. Tut-tutting whitewash.
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Well, I do feel pity for fools like him. That doesn't mean I think he should be exempt from punishment for what he did, but it's a crying shame that people actually fall for this idiocy, and then act on it.

I felt sorry for Tim McVeigh for the same reasons, but that doesn't mean I wanted him to continue to breath.

I just don't want to give a free pass to the people who propagate the lies that trigger these acts.

Thankfully, this time, no one was actually hurt, but even that doesn't lessen the offense of those who spread the lies. This CT stuff is all fun until someone actually believes it and takes the next "logical" step, of taking matters into his own hands to right the wrongs that "they" were ignoring.
 
Abooga said:
I agree to being careful, but not to stifling discussion about the issue.
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No one's saying that we shouldn't talk about it. But looking at the allegations and discussing it rationally, something like "Well, there's nothing to indicate that the allegations are true. Oh, and those paintings are ugly as hell!" is very different from saying "it's probably false, but look at those paintings. Weird, innit?"
 
eerok said:
Looks like the loonies are mobilizing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...480887555322&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.ab3d51c3ed70
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It reminds me of 2002, when a man calling himself the Phantom Patriot was inspired by Alex Jones to load up with weapons and "attack" the Bohemian Grove.

McCaslin, wearing a skull mask and a blue jumpsuit with "Phantom Patriot" written in red on his chest, infiltrated the site of Bohemian Grove, just north of San Francisco. He was heavily armed with "a pump-action/shotgun hybrid, a .45 caliber handgun, a crossbow, a 2-foot-long sword, a knife and a fireworks mortar tube." McCaslin slept in one of the cabins overnight. The following morning, he found the 30 ft. owl statue, then later encountered caretaker, Fred Yeager and maintenance man, Bob Hipkiss. McCaslin set a fire in the empty banquet hall, then was later removed peacefully by local law enforcement officers and was briefly held at the mental health ward of the Sonoma County Jail. He later claimed to have seen the documentary,"Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove" by talk show host Alex Jones.
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Abooga said:
I agree to being careful, but not to stifling discussion about the issue. I believe talking openly and truthfully about issues brings more good than bad. But being truthful is important, both for conspiracy pushers and skeptics. For example when you summarized the case as "Clinton talked to someone once and that person knows another who has eaten pizza at some point in their lives", that was stretching the truth. When conspiracy theorists do the same thing they get called out. Well, the same should apply here. Also when someone thought that those murals depicted trees instead of the more likely pagan antlers, those kind of comments look like shill denialism, which I´d argue is more damaging than simple spreading of this CT. Conspiracy theorists can have their beliefs strengthened if they read things that look like someone is trying to cover things up, instead of openly discussing them.
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Disgusting.
Saying a painting looks more like a tree than antlers is 'denialism', but claiming that a painting of what might be antlers indicates that politicians are raping kids in the walk-in fridge is somehow 'exploring possibilities'?
And spreading the CT, like you have been doing, which has lead not only to death threats, but to a person actually shooting up the pizzeria is not damaging, while saying that a painting isn't proof of anything is?
Get your priorities straight.
 
turingtest said:
Axxman300 said:
I was molested as a child. I keep an eye on that world.

There's a thread somewhere on this board asking is CTers were dangerous, and this is an example of why I answered "Yes".

There is no proof of this pizza place being anything other than a great place for dinner. Podesta's e-mail has been loosely interpreted, and by "loosely" I mean they made stuff up.

Are there child-sex trafficking rings operating in Washington D.C.? Yes, just as there are rings to be found in every major US city right now. Child predators operate out in the open on the Dark-Web, and are dictating the game over there. If this pizza place was a hub for kiddie rapers, you could easily find out on one of the many dark-web pedophile message boards, yet nothing has surfaced.

The sad, evil part of this CT is that it will make it easier for REAL child-sex rings to operate longer thanks to the credibility gap this has created. Shame on those who spread this lie.
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You mean the CTists won't look for the evidence where you'd expect to find it, and insist on seeing it where you have to create it? Say it ain't so...
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You'd have to be particularly retarded to browse this kind of stuff in the hope you'd find a needle in a haystack. But if that is your thing then knock yourself out, good luck avoiding all the honeytraps.

What I can provide is a link to a guys flickr profile that someone recently found...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76789827@N03/favorites
...I'm sure this'll disappear soon.
 
abaddon said:
Are you seriously stating that in the interest of "open discussion" holding the opinion that a tree is a tree is forbidden and to be censored?

ETA: And what on earth is wrong with paganism and its symbols anyway?
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When did I say that? Check again. What I said is that twisting the truth and abandoning objectivity is wrong either if you are a believer or a skeptic of the CT.

And there´s nothing wrong with paganism in principle, but there´s no point in denying that the painter of the murals of the pizza place most probably painted something paga/occult related.
 
Spins said:
You'd have to be particularly retarded to browse this kind of stuff in the hope you'd find a needle in a haystack. But if that is your thing then knock yourself out, good luck avoiding all the honeytraps.

What I can provide is a link to a guys flickr profile that someone recently found...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/76789827@N03/favorites
...I'm sure this'll disappear soon.
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How can you post that, some innocent person could be hurt... that surely is a coincidence, pictures of kids, comet pizza everywhere... don´t be paranoid...

oh look, the guy is actually a convicted sex offender...

http://sor.informe.org/cgi-bin/sor/step3.pl?id=4683&search=2&city=AUGUSTA&limiter=
 
Abooga said:
And there´s nothing wrong with paganism in principle, but there´s no point in denying that the painter of the murals of the pizza place most probably painted something paga/occult related.
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I've already told you it was paganoid imagery of no specific meaning. I've studied art and anthropology. It's antlers, and antlers refer in a vague, clip-art sorta way to pagan rituals of sprinng.

But so what? Art is not incriminating.
 
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