Pizzagate

[catsmate]

I guess I entered this thread believing everyone was at least marginally aware of the allegations being made...but, maybe not.

I'll try to find some more specific information about the accusations, but it will be slow going because hurting.

ETA: I guess this is a good place to start: http://therightstuff.biz/2016/11/27/pizzagate-2/

We are. The allegations are completely unsupported by evidence.

 

[marplots]

So we've moved away from a pedophile pizza joint to art I'm not drunk enough to appreciate?

That's progress, I suppose.

 

[Tolls]

IThe British Royal family´s ancestors would torture prisoners in horrible gorey ways... just a few generations away from the current royals.

How few is "a few"?
Because I'm pretty sure that the royal family hasn't had a say in prisoner treatment for centuries, at the minimum prior to Germans taking over, and that's 300 years.

 

[Abooga]

I'm yet to see a "reasoning" explaining how "weirdness" means that "child abuse ring" is more likely in that place. You'll need that.

And don't hide behind accusations of being "attacked". If you post your opinions in the public sphere, expect them to be challenged, especially when they are nonsensical.



It's also known that some people on the internet are murderers, but that's no reason to accuse you of such a crime.

It´s a CT, not a scientific hypothesis ... sheesh...

One has to look at it as a crime scene from a mystery novel... it might look like the butler did it, all "evidence" points at that... but perhaps there are clues that point to there being something sinister about the maid...why does she have a cross of Curavaca? and so on. It´s more fun this way.

For those poor hipsters from the pizza restaurant... they are most certainly innocent, so I pity them. (Although it is kind of funny, they never thought they would get in so much trouble when they hosted those "edgy" shows and joked about their "kill room"... serves them right, in a way... )

 

[Porpoise of Life]

It´s a CT, not a scientific hypothesis ... sheesh...

One has to look at it as a crime scene from a mystery novel... it might look like the butler did it, all "evidence" points at that... but perhaps there are clues that point to there being something sinister about the maid...why does she have a cross of Curavaca? and so on. It´s more fun this way.

For those poor hipsters from the pizza restaurant... they are most certainly innocent, so I pity them. (Although it is kind of funny, they never thought they would get in so much trouble when they hosted those "edgy" shows and joked about their "kill room"... serves them right, in a way... )

Yes, people who tell silly jokes deserve to receive death threats by deranged people. They had it coming.
But making jokes about someone being a pedophile child trafficker is all in good fun, and should never reflect poorly on the conspiracy theorists.

Disgusting and hypocritical.

 

[LSSBB]

It´s a CT, not a scientific hypothesis ... sheesh...

I see, so if we are dealing with the mating propensities of seahorses, or the interactions of muons, we need to think critically and be diligent and cautious, but if it's people's livelihoods and reputation, throw all caution to the wind, eh?

 

[Belz...]

It´s a CT, not a scientific hypothesis ... sheesh...

It's a claim. Claims need to be supported.

One has to look at it as a crime scene from a mystery novel...

No, I don't think I'll let you use fiction as some sort of evidence or reasoning.

For those poor hipsters from the pizza restaurant... they are most certainly innocent, so I pity them.

Pity them for what?

 

[Belz...]

I see, so if we are dealing with the mating propensities of seahorses, or the interactions of muons, we need to think critically and be diligent and cautious, but if it's people's livelihoods and reputation, throw all caution to the wind, eh?

Of course we need to be cautious. You wouldn't want to discriminate against gay muons, right?

 

[Abooga]

Yes, people who tell silly jokes deserve to receive death threats by deranged people. They had it coming.
But making jokes about someone being a pedophile child trafficker is all in good fun, and should never reflect poorly on the conspiracy theorists.

Disgusting and hypocritical.

Come on, I said "in a way"..

But seriously, they supposedly hosted shows such as "Heavy Breathing"

"the #1 Friend Link on the Comet Ping Pong site. It shows bestiality, witchcraft, blood rituals, satanism, skulls, and children with what I know are references to oral sex with adults: PEDOPHILIA!! It's right there linked to Comet Ping Pong in the link to "Heavy Breathing" site. (Heavy Breathing is a "band" and this band plays at the Comet Ping Pong.)"

So who was "making jokes about someone being a pedophile"?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

It´s a CT, not a scientific hypothesis ... sheesh...

One has to look at it as a crime scene from a mystery novel... it might look like the butler did it, all "evidence" points at that... but perhaps there are clues that point to there being something sinister about the maid...why does she have a cross of Curavaca? and so on. It´s more fun this way.

For those poor hipsters from the pizza restaurant... they are most certainly innocent, so I pity them. (Although it is kind of funny, they never thought they would get in so much trouble when they hosted those "edgy" shows and joked about their "kill room"... serves them right, in a way... )

This is why you fail. Proof is proof, evidence is evidence, citations are citations.

 

[Abooga]

I see, so if we are dealing with the mating propensities of seahorses, or the interactions of muons, we need to think critically and be diligent and cautious, but if it's people's livelihoods and reputation, throw all caution to the wind, eh?

No, it´s not that. I think the exact same method cannot apply to the study of straightforward natural processes and the study of conspiracies, which by their very nature will be hidden, obscured and made to look like something else.

And I´m not like those posters in reddit asking for armed vigilantism or things like that, I just posted this here to see it dissected by some sceptics, hardly a damaging thing to do...

 

[Belz...]

No, it´s not that. I think the exact same method cannot apply to the study of straightforward natural processes and the study of conspiracies, which by their very nature will be hidden, obscured and made to look like something else.

Cool, so then we can just make **** up about them at will, and no one can question them! Bwa ha ha ha ha!

 

[Abooga]

Cool, so then we can just make **** up about them at will, and no one can question them! Bwa ha ha ha ha!

Rule of so?

(I was taught that here )

No, we can´t make **** up but we have to assume the evidence is not laying there openly to be studied by clear unquestionable scientific methods. those methods wouldn´t have uncovered things that turned out to be true after all, such as the NSA eavesdropping... the existence of operation Gladius... and some others.

 

[Belz...]

Rule of so?

No, that's not what the rule of so means.

(I was taught that here )

You learned wrong. I was drawing a conclusion from your premise, not attempting to rewrite your argument.

No, we can´t make **** up but we have to assume the evidence is not laying there openly to be studied by clear unquestionable scientific methods.

In that case, the rational thing to do with to withhold judgment, not draw the conclusion that fits most our biases.

 

[Abooga]

No, that's not what the rule of so means.



You learned wrong. I was drawing a conclusion from your premise, not attempting to rewrite your argument.

Drawing a wrong conclusion that I didn´t imply, so yes. Rule of so.

In that case, the rational thing to do with to withhold judgment, not draw the conclusion that fits most our biases.

What makes you think that I don´t withhold judgement? I just pointed at some odd things, never judged, never asserted anything. One can look at things and not have a definitive, assertive, final opinion about them, you know?

One can think in a way in which to assign a Truth value and a seriousness (severity) value to things. This CT would have like a 1% of possibility to be true, but a 90% of seriousness. Worth spending some time looking at it, not very likely to be true. The fact that it´s going to rain later on? 50% chance to be true, 5% severity (since I won´t be going for a bike ride). So I won´t even bother looking at the weather (rain) radar.

There can also be entertainment values of things of course. But that would be going too far off topic...

 

[LSSBB]

Rule of so?

(I was taught that here )

No, we can´t make **** up but we have to assume the evidence is not laying there openly to be studied by clear unquestionable scientific methods. those methods wouldn´t have uncovered things that turned out to be true after all, such as the NSA eavesdropping... the existence of operation Gladius... and some others.

Not sure what you mean on NSA eavesdropping, need more specifics there. As far as Gladio, if that is what you are referring to, it was initially uncovered as part of a criminal investigation, not CT 'dot connecting'.

 

[LSSBB]

Drawing a wrong conclusion that I didn´t imply, so yes. Rule of so.



What makes you think that I don´t withhold judgement? I just pointed at some odd things, never judged, never asserted anything. One can look at things and not have a definitive, assertive, final opinion about them, you know?

One can think in a way in which to assign a Truth value and a seriousness (severity) value to things. This CT would have like a 1% of possibility to be true, but a 90% of seriousness. Worth spending some time looking at it, not very likely to be true.

I think you overestimate it's chances of being true. That said, .01 x .9 is .009, so something half as serious with a 50-50 chance outranks it at .225.

 

[Belz...]

Drawing a wrong conclusion that I didn´t imply, so yes. Rule of so.

I have now explained to you exactly how the rule of so differs from what I was doing. You have now no excuse to continue in your misrepresentation.

What makes you think that I don´t withhold judgement?

Your posts in this thread, which obviously lean towards the conclusion that the accusation has merit based on:

I just pointed at some odd things, never judged, never asserted anything.

There's nothing odd about them in the first place. You're cherry-picking data and 'connecting the dots'. You'll forgive me if I don't buy your attempt at denial.

 

[Abooga]

It was blatantly Rule of So!

Sorry but I have to go now, I´d love to continue but that´s all for me for today. Laters!

 

[Belz...]

It was blatantly Rule of So!

As I said: no excuse, and now deliberately dishonest.