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Pizzagate

Spins said:
But no on a serious note when I was a child I did have an adult on 2 separate occasions try and molest me. Once at a public swimming pool (he tried to pull my trunks off) and the other occasion I don't want to describe.
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I'm very sorry to hear that.
 
I just heard about this today.

I have to say some of it sounds weird as hell.

$60,000 for pizza and hot dogs? In the White House? Where food isn't allowed to be brought in at all?

Someone, please, please convince me this isn't real. Please.
 
DragonLady said:
I just heard about this today.

I have to say some of it sounds weird as hell.

$60,000 for pizza and hot dogs? In the White House? Where food isn't allowed to be brought in at all?

Someone, please, please convince me this isn't real. Please.
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What is it that you are afraid is true and what makes you think it may be?

Take it step by step starting with evidence and sources, be as clear as you can be.

Conspiracy theory lives in vagueness and poor logical process.
 
I attempted to google for more information regarding DragonLady's comments and find my google-fu inadequate to cut through the signal to noise ratio. And the OP link is useless.

Any chance of someone throwing me a bone, here? My understanding is someone randomly associated a random pizza parlor with an unproven conspiracy theory using a pair of tweets, and somehow shoehorned it into connection with unrelated Podesta email content.

And mouthbreathing meshbacks took it viral on Facebook? Or is it Reddit/4chan fodder spilling out of those pig pens?
 
I'll try to post some links, but a lot of the sites are being taken down so it's hard to follow up on much of what has been said.

I'm also reading through some of the emails myself, but there's a lot of noise there, too.

I'm not much into conspiracies...but I have to admit a child sex ring in the US government is not exactly impossible. Probably very unlikely, but not impossible.
 
In my observations, the government is unable to run an actual pizzeria correctly; the logistical and security requirements of a sex ring of the size I understand has been proposed exceed my my suspension of disbelief.
 
Okay; no outside food allowed in the White House:

You can't bring in outside food

With a strictness rivaled only by movie theaters, you're not allowed to take outside food into the White House. When visiting chefs cook there, they can't bring pre-prepared sauces, as all ingredients must be obtained by the kitchen staff through secret and secure sources.
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https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/white-house-food-presidential-eating

$65K for Chicago pizza and hot dogs, delivered to the White House.

http://www.trump-conservative.com/n...payer-money-on-hotdogs-flown-in-from-chicago/

Really? $65K? and it says "Pizza and hot dogs" not "pizza dough" or "pizza ingredients" so it sounds like they brought in food.

It all sounds innocent enough, except as a whole it doesn't make sense. The waitress comment is bizarre, the amount of money spent is ludicrous, the reference to 'channels' is just weird, and finally, one of the replies refers to the people involved as "hot dogs".

I'm sorry, but I have to admit: from where I sit the whole thing is smelling very, very bad.

Especially in light of all the events in Britain. :(
 
Your first link appears to be a ClickBait slideshow of unstated length.

Your second link asserts that someone dreaming of a hotdog cart in Hawaii must certainly be pedo-code for something dirty. Because hot dogs, right?

A "hot dog cart in Hawaii" is a retirement dream-job joke, probably in this instance in reference to some recent kids movie. I'm trying to remember which one, but somebody has that desire in a cartoon. The color of the awning was involved.
 
As far as $65k for hot dogs, I'm still not seeing the contextual information I need to know what's even being discussed.
 
DragonLady said:
Okay; no outside food allowed in the White House:


https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/white-house-food-presidential-eating

$65K for Chicago pizza and hot dogs, delivered to the White House.

http://www.trump-conservative.com/n...payer-money-on-hotdogs-flown-in-from-chicago/

Really? $65K? and it says "Pizza and hot dogs" not "pizza dough" or "pizza ingredients" so it sounds like they brought in food.

It all sounds innocent enough, except as a whole it doesn't make sense. The waitress comment is bizarre, the amount of money spent is ludicrous, the reference to 'channels' is just weird, and finally, one of the replies refers to the people involved as "hot dogs".

I'm sorry, but I have to admit: from where I sit the whole thing is smelling very, very bad.

Especially in light of all the events in Britain. :(
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You haven't done what I asked before, this post is all bad feelings and innuendo.


What specifically do you believe is happening and why do you believe it

Reread your posts and you'll find incredulity and mystery, but no actual claim.

What specifically are you afraid is true, and why do you think it is likely?

Bad feelings and vagueness aren't good skepticism, or good critical thinking.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
As far as $65k for hot dogs, I'm still not seeing the contextual information I need to know what's even being discussed.
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That's because there's no context. If you read the linked site, this was a comment from some third party that "believed" the Whitehouse had paid that much to fly in pizza. That is, it's completely hearsay, with no other supporting evidence.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Your first link appears to be a ClickBait slideshow of unstated length.
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I quoted what it says. But I'll see if I can find the same info somewhere else.

Your second link asserts that someone dreaming of a hotdog cart in Hawaii must certainly be pedo-code for something dirty. Because hot dogs, right?
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That is not the post I was referring to, but yes, that is the general gist of the allegations.

A "hot dog cart in Hawaii" is a retirement dream-job joke, probably in this instance in reference to some recent kids movie. I'm trying to remember which one, but somebody has that desire in a cartoon. The color of the awning was involved.
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Yes; I'm aware of that. As I said, that's not the post that gave me pause.

Hot dogs? At the White House? Seriously?

65K for hot dogs and pizza? Again...there's no outside foods allowed, so it would have to 65K for flour, yeast, tomato sauce....

Of course, it may all be hyperbole. But reading through what people are saying, it's starting to take on the kind of stench that bears a much closer investigation, IMO.

Again...we need only look 'cross the pond to see a pedophile ring in the highest offices would not be impossible.
 
QUOTE=Horatius;11607012]That's because there's no context. If you read the linked site, this was a comment from some third party that "believed" the Whitehouse had paid that much to fly in pizza. That is, it's completely hearsay, with no other supporting evidence.
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Wait, what?

So, where's the beef?
 
I've hurt both of my arms, so typing is very hard right now.

I guess I entered this thread believing everyone was at least marginally aware of the allegations being made...but, maybe not.

I'll try to find some more specific information about the accusations, but it will be slow going because hurting.

ETA: I guess this is a good place to start: http://therightstuff.biz/2016/11/27/pizzagate-2/
 
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DragonLady said:
Of course, it may all be hyperbole. But reading through what people are saying, it's starting to take on the kind of stench that bears a much closer investigation, IMO.
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And this is how we end up picking a reality tv show host over a seasoned politician. Our information literacy is so low a this point that I have little hope.
 
DragonLady said:
I've hurt both of my arms, so typing is very hard right now.

I guess I entered this thread believing everyone was at least marginally aware of the allegations being made...but, maybe not.

I'll try to find some more specific information about the accusations, but it will be slow going because hurting.
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I'm aware of what's alleged, but I feel the conspiracy proponents let their beliefs flourish by keeping them vague.

I want YOU to state what you believe and why so that it can be looked at rationally.
 
DragonLady said:
Yes; I'm aware of that. As I said, that's not the post that gave me pause.

Hot dogs? At the White House? Seriously?

65K for hot dogs and pizza? Again...there's no outside foods allowed, so it would have to 65K for flour, yeast, tomato sauce....

Of course, it may all be hyperbole.
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Have you considered the possibility that it may just be a complete invention, before you start trying to make sense of the numbers?
 
And if you look for other stories about pizza, it seems the claim that you "can't bring food into the Whitehouse" are somewhat less than perfectly accurate:

http://people.com/celebrity/the-obamas-order-out-for-pizza-from-st-louis/

Chris Sommers, owner of a pizza place in St. Louis, gets orders from all over town. But from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington, D.C.?

“It’s surreal, it’s a huge honor,” says Sommers, 33, who flew to the nation’s capital Thursday to make 20 pizzas for the Obama family and staff.

So how did a St. Louis pizza guy end up in the White House kitchen?

The president first tasted Sommers’s San Francisco-style pies, served at his St. Louis restaurant Pi, while campaigning in Missouri last fall. An Obama supporter, Sommers offered to deliver a few frozen pies to the president after the election but was told he couldn’t send food to the White House because of security concerns.

Instead, Reggie Love, one of the president’s closest aides and a fellow fan of Sommers’s deep-dish and thin-crust creations, arranged to have the pizza chef bring 20 pounds of dough and 3 gallons of sauce at Sommers’s expense to the White House kitchen and cook there Friday.
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There's also other reports:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/norm-clarke/big-pizza-delivery-obama-eerie

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...nt-Barack-Obama-turns-pizza-delivery-man.html
 
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