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Pizzagate

Spins said:
Then as the Podesta emails started to get published someone on the Donald sub claimed that they'd uncovered some suspicious emails that could be construed as pedophilic code.
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Treating /r/the_donald as a reliable information source about the Clintons isn't a good idea.

If you need a reason for that, read the subreddit name.
 
Spins said:
OK here is the deal, either take it or leave it.


TBH I wasn't particularly impressed but then as people started to do a little digging that's when Tony's penchant for pedophilic art came out, for example people would visit his house and be quite taken aback that his bedroom basically had pictures of naked kids hanging on the wall.
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Again, teenagers are not always kids. 18 and 19 year olds are teenagers but also adults by law.

I tried to find info on this claim. All I could find was something saying that some visitors to his house saw some artwork by someone who supposedly takes pictures of naked teenagers. Nowhere did I see that those teenagers are kids or that the art work this guy had on his wall was of kids.
 
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Spins said:
Tony's penchant for pedophilic art came out, for example people would visit his house and be quite taken aback that his bedroom basically had pictures of naked kids hanging on the wall.
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....and you still haven't posted a link that shows he has a penchant for pedophilic art, much less what the subjects of the art is.
 
RussDill said:
....and you still haven't posted a link that shows he has a penchant for pedophilic art, much less what the subjects of the art is.
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TBH I thought it was a Guardian article but I can't find it, this one mentions the artwork...

https://archive.fo/vddrO

"At political events, there's an inevitable awkwardness," former Clinton administration official Sally Katzen said at a Women's Campaign Fund dinner at the Podestas' home this summer. "The art is an ice-breaker. It puts people at ease."

Not always. Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes.

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.
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mike81 said:
Spins, would it be wrong or creepy for this Led Zeppelin album cover be hanging on someone's wall?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/fd/80/a7fd804c82e54f15c23873bc2220c248.jpg
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Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
 
Spins said:
OK either way they were taken aback. One of his other favorite artists is Biljana Djurdjevic...

https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/https://i.sli.mg/dBY95x.jpg
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How about if I give you everything that's even possibly insinuated?

Let's assume these paintings were in Tony's possession (Probably, not, these are simply a collection of images from an artist he has some work of, images cherry picked to lead to a conclusion. Djurduevic also paints adult, middle aged and elderly people in similar awkward poses.)
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Let's assume that possession of these paintings is a good reason to think something sinister about Tony Podesta. (It isn't, he had in his collection over 700 contemporary pieces including Olafur Eliasson, Gillian Wearing, Loris Cecchini and on and on)

How in the hell do you get from "This Tony guy looks sketchy" to "A pizza place his brother had some parties at is a pedophile ring"

Seriously, what are the intermediate steps?
 
Cavemonster said:
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How in the hell do you get from "This Tony guy looks sketchy" to "A pizza place his brother had some parties at is a pedophile ring"

Seriously, what are the intermediate steps?
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No need for facts - it's faith based character assassination, no different than birthers or secret muslim traitor/homosexual conspiracy theory advocates on President Obama.
 
Spins said:
Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
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Somewhere, somebody did something sorta like what you are guessing someone did is never evidence they did it, or that your line of reasoning is correct. How many pizza parlors did Jimmy Savile make use of that had funny looking paintings and your occasional antler? Yeah, I file this one under Birther, Sandy Hook, Truther and Apollohoax, CTs that self-perpetuate due to the collective inability to admit error combined with selective reinforcement.
 
Spins said:
Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
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And this is why you and others are doing more harm than good.

Jimmy Savile is an example of a real predator, and as you said many at BBC knew of his evils. Nobody knows anything about a pedo-ring run out of this pizza parlor - nobody. By spreading lies you and people like you make it easy for the real bad guys to continue to get away with their operations when you needlessly cry wolf.
 
Spins said:
Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
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If someone would devise a conspiracy theory about you based on what you post online, what would you do?
If someone would call you a child murdering rapist based on a 'hunch' about a painting on your brother's wall, how would you react?

I assume that at the very least you'd ask them to prove it, but more likely you'd feel victimized, get angry at people who would callously make things up and get scared because of all of the death threats you're suddenly receiving.
Why is it OK for you to do this to a stranger, if it's not OK for them to do it to you?
 
Porpoise of Life said:
If someone would devise a conspiracy theory about you based on what you post online, what would you do?
If someone would call you a child murdering rapist based on a 'hunch' about a painting on your brother's wall, how would you react?

I assume that at the very least you'd ask them to prove it, but more likely you'd feel victimized, get angry at people who would callously make things up and get scared because of all of the death threats you're suddenly receiving.
Why is it OK for you to do this to a stranger, if it's not OK for them to do it to you?
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You should distinguish between nutters on reddit who are convinced this CT is real and call for vigilante actions, or trolls who create false evidence, or hackers who publish people´s personal photos etc. and us, who just point at some of the already published material in this skeptics forum and just want to see how it gets debunked. Completely different. If there were a CT about me I´d publish it here myself, because I consider this forum to be quite sane and level-headed (on average) and good for debunking stuff.
 
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Abooga said:
You should distinguish between nutters on reddit who are convinced this CT is real and call for vigilante actions, or trolls who create false evidence, or hackers who publish people´s personal photos etc. and us, who just point at some of the already published material in this skeptics forum and just want to see how it gets debunked. Completely different. If there were a CT about me I´d publish it here myself, because I consider this forum to be quite sane and level-headed (on average) and good for debunking stuff.
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I don't understand how you don't see that there's nothing to debunk.
Look at it. All you've posted is Instagram pictures from a restaurant and pictures of paintings that are either owned by the restaurant, or the brother of one of the customers of the restaurant, or not even that, but just made by the same artist.
And every time people ask you what this is suppposed to mean you deny responsibility for your own posts, saying that you're only asking questions, but didn't come up with the ct, so you don;t have to defend anything.

You are not asking any questions. You are posting pictures, claiming they are somehow 'not normal' and link them to a conspiracy theory about a murderous child raping gang operating a pizza parlor.

If you can't see your insinuations mean nothing, and you are unwilling to actually claim what you think they prove, there is nothing anyone can do.

If you could explain how you think owning art you don't like is evidence of a criminal conspiracy, then maybe there'd be something to debunk.
At the moment, you're just slinging mud and denying responsibility, before slinging some more and wondering how all the mud got there.
 
Spins said:
If you asked the average person in the street prior to <Jimmy Savile's> death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, ...
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Rubbish.
He was always considered "odd"...it was a joke at school when I was a kid for crying out loud.
No one was actually surprised.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
I don't understand how you don't see that there's nothing to debunk.
Look at it. All you've posted is Instagram pictures from a restaurant and pictures of paintings that are either owned by the restaurant, or the brother of one of the customers of the restaurant, or not even that, but just made by the same artist.
And every time people ask you what this is suppposed to mean you deny responsibility for your own posts, saying that you're only asking questions, but didn't come up with the ct, so you don;t have to defend anything.

You are not asking any questions. You are posting pictures, claiming they are somehow 'not normal' and link them to a conspiracy theory about a murderous child raping gang operating a pizza parlor.

If you can't see your insinuations mean nothing, and you are unwilling to actually claim what you think they prove, there is nothing anyone can do.

If you could explain how you think owning art you don't like is evidence of a criminal conspiracy, then maybe there'd be something to debunk.
At the moment, you're just slinging mud and denying responsibility, before slinging some more and wondering how all the mud got there.
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Nope. I posted a link to a website (I think it was this https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/) and then extracted a couple of pics from it to elicit some discussion in this thread that was created by someone else around the same issue. I´m not he one linking them to a conspiracy, that website (and many symilar other sites) do. I´m not slinging mud, I just point at some of the already slung mud. Just like this thead does.
 
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