Pink Slime

[Joey McGee]

My point was that since people had a preference, they obviously could tell a difference. Not that, as you said, they cannot tell the difference.

But there is no evidence that they can tell the difference with or without it. There is only evidence that when blinded, most people prefer it. Which to me proves that it does not negatively affect the product.

 

[Joey McGee]

Move to Canada we've never had it here

Yes, escape beef separated with centrifuge instead of a knife because that is ********** up. Come to a country where every store that sells food carries SPAM

 

[Joey McGee]

A recent south park episode (spoiler coming) has a scientist explaining to the people of south park what gluten really is. So he does a little science experiment on stage and the result is pure gluten in a little beaker. So someone says "If it's not poison, then drink it!" So he's like uhmm, ok sure And then his penis explodes flying all over the place and even hits some guy in the head.

 

[epepke]

I got a tube of just mechanically separated chicken at a food pantry once. The taste was OK, though a bit bland. The main problem was that it was almost without any texture. It would have been fine when mixed with something else. I imagine that pink slime is similar.

 

[Joey McGee]

Well then you can't have been reading the thread or applying yourself in any way.

We have taste tests that show that the texture is improved when lftb is added. Not just that, but that the more that is added the more people enjoy it. Up to at least 20%.

Not to mention that mechanically separated meat products do not compare in a meaningful way to this process and product.

What you've just demonstrated is the failure to do due diligence and think critically about this product that has cost hundreds of people their jobs and poisoned the well about food innovation, very sad and preventable.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, escape beef separated with centrifuge instead of a knife because that is ********** up. Come to a country where every store that sells food carries SPAM

Don't trash talk spam!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ytbI5L_ZNU

 

[jimbob]

Joey, you can't have it both ways. Half the time you are arguing it is indistinguishable, and the other half you are arguing it is an improvement.

It is quite possible for the majority of people to prefer the texture of a cheaper product but for others to dislike it.

All I am arguing for is labelling to show so that the consumer can make up their own mind.

The texture is different - otherwise you could make a burger out of 100% LFTB just as you can make a burger out of 100% mince.

 

[Joey McGee]

Don't trash talk spam!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ytbI5L_ZNU

Funny. I have a better YT video on SPAM



I have a better argument too.

Joey, you can't have it both ways. Half the time you are arguing it is indistinguishable, and the other half you are arguing it is an improvement.

Wrong. I am adament that it is different. Hence the two different terms, finely textured lean beef. Lean finely textured beef. It is the exact same product processed two different ways. If this finer softer texture was bad according to blind tests, you might have a point. If it was neutral you would not have a point. But because it is better you have exactly zero point and really are complaining about something that is awesome.

It is quite possible for the majority of people to prefer the texture of a cheaper product but for others to dislike it.

It's quite possible that anything can be the case. I doubt that anyone can actually taste the difference, and ther's not evidence that they can.

All I am arguing for is labelling to show so that the consumer can make up their own mind.

lol, literally no one relevant is against labelling, even me. What I'm against is the stupid crap people believe that label means. It's cheaper because it takes more meat of a cow that was previously not useable in this way, not because it is less quality. Somehow economics of food escapes some people...

The texture is different - otherwise you could make a burger out of 100% LFTB just as you can make a burger out of 100% mince.

Yes I have been explaining why this is and what this means for over two years now thanks for dropping by the thread.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

finely textured lean beef. Lean finely textured beef. It is the exact same product processed two different ways. If this finer softer texture was bad according to blind tests, you might have a point.

It's the cheesiest slimiest!

Choosey Mothers Choose slime!

My hamburger has a first name it's L-E-A-N
My hamburger has a second name it's F-I-N-E-L-Y
Oh I love to eat it every day, and if you ask me why I'll say....
Cause Pink Slime is fun to eat for little snot nose kids like me

 

[Joey McGee]

Just... wow.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Just... wow.

I suppose That might work too. Eat our pink slime. Just wow.


Not quite as snappy as the other slick campaigns. But it might work.

What do you think Ginger? Would that convince you to change your mind and start liking slime again??

 

[Joey McGee]

Once again, the unwillingness to engage in real debate using evidence of any kind is accompanied by a lack of reason of any flavor.

How about,we get more of the same meat that you're already eating saving the environment and dollars at the same time, and the only difference is that it has a finer and thus complimentary texture. Those are the facts. That I have taken time to prove. You are late in the game son. This thread is over two years old. Can't even thank you for trying to play.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Once again, the unwillingness to engage in real debate using evidence of any kind is accompanied by a lack of reason of any flavor.

Why would I engage in debate? I am converted! Haleluya! Clearly your pink slimey stuff is far superior to the old slimey pink stuff!

I am adament that it is different. Hence the two different terms, finely textured lean beef. Lean finely textured beef.

We got to get the word out! It worked for Kraft! It worked for Oscar Meyer. Who can argue that they are the highest quality above all others for their products. We need a slick campaign to let people know our FTLB is far far superior to that old nasty LFTB. OR did I do that wrong? Is it the LFTB that's clearly far superior to the FTLB? Well doesn't matter. Both are obviously far superior to hamburger. So let's do it! Anyone who doesn't like our product must be convinced! If cute snot nosed kids can't convince them, maybe kittens? I am open to suggestions here.

 

[Joey McGee]

The lack of sense and relevance just displayed is amazing to behold. I'm reminded of a dying sun. A wilted flower. Can't you speak to the facts? This is a skeptical forum. A forum where skepcial people go to talk about skepticism.

 

[jimbob]

Joey, you can't have it both ways. Half the time you are arguing it is indistinguishable, and the other half you are arguing it is an improvement.

Wrong. I am adament that it is different. Hence the two different terms, finely textured lean beef. Lean finely textured beef. It is the exact same product processed two different ways. If this finer softer texture was bad according to blind tests, you might have a point. If it was neutral you would not have a point. But because it is better you have exactly zero point and really are complaining about something that is awesome.

So there is a dfference but it is all positive.

Sell it on its merits then. Label it and use it as a USP: "LFTB, the slightly less environmentally damaging form of beef"

It is quite possible for the majority of people to prefer the texture of a cheaper product but for others to dislike it.

It's quite possible that anything can be the case. I doubt that anyone can actually taste the difference, and ther's not evidence that they can.

And here you are again saying it is probably indistinguishable

All I am arguing for is labelling to show so that the consumer can make up their own mind.

lol, literally no one relevant is against labelling, even me. What I'm against is the stupid crap people believe that label means. It's cheaper because it takes more meat of a cow that was previously not useable in this way, not because it is less quality. Somehow economics of food escapes some people...

So are you in favour of mandatory labelling? You seem to attack anyone who suggests this.

The texture is different - otherwise you could make a burger out of 100% LFTB just as you can make a burger out of 100% mince.

Yes I have been explaining why this is and what this means for over two years now thanks for dropping by the thread.

Texture is an important feature in the eating experience.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

The lack of sense and relevance just displayed is amazing to behold. I'm reminded of a dying sun. A wilted flower. Can't you speak to the facts? This is a skeptical forum. A forum where skepcial people go to talk about skepticism.

True. Skepticism. You claim your pink sime, or is it slime pink? I keep forgetting. You claim that people just love the stuff. So if that were true, and people like Ginger who claim not to like it are full of woo, then market it. If it is superior, market it!

But you are not in favor of marketing it, not even labeling it. Why? Because knowledge of the product doesn't increase sales, it reduces sales. So you can talk till the cows come home about your 12 man taste trials all you want. IT is all woo. I don't believe you. Industry is the one trying to pull the fast one on consumers. Industry is the one trying to secretly add their product to the food supply. You are the snake oil salesman backing all this with your carefully crafted slick marketing. If the product actually WAS what you so glowingly CLAIM, then industry would simply market it to meet consumer demand, which would grow due to the superior nature of the product at a lower price. They would do marketing on TV like the old Coke VS Pepsi taste offs. They wouldn't skulk in the shadows and try to hide from the consumer their product exists. That's how a skeptical mind works. You think about the evidence and determine if it makes sense. You don't just accept the pablum (Pink slime) being force fed to you at face value.

Now Ginger and a few others in this thread have told you they don't like the crap. They want it labeled so they can avoid it. Taste is subjective. That means you CAN NOT tell someone what they like and don't like. I like Broccoli. Some people hate Broccoli. It's just the way it is. Deal with it.

 

[Joey McGee]

So there is a dfference but it is all positive.

Sell it on its merits then. Label it and use it as a USP: "LFTB, the slightly less environmentally damaging form of beef"

That is what they are doing. But no one thought to do that from the beginning because no one really can comprehend how stupid, hateful and stubbornly ignorant people can be.

And here you are again saying it is probably indistinguishable

And here you are offering no factual basis for why you disagree while I have surely provided such.

So are you in favour of mandatory labelling? You seem to attack anyone who suggests this.

Ridiculous and emotionally overcharged babble... Yes I am against mandatory labeling for the sole reason it is the exact same product and pandering to conspiracy theorists and food woos is not the job of the government. I am supportive of the fact that all of the companies that make it are pro labeling. But I am equally supportive of the company's effort to educate what the label means. Who gives a flying **** if there has to be a label when that will only empower the food woos to say look, there is hide or connective tissue or low quality meat in that product. That is what I am not willing to accept. They could make it mandatory and that would not change a thing. It would empower food woos to point at a label and say avoid it, much like they do with say, aspartame claiming it causes cancer and other such nonsense. Bunch of fruit loops if you ask me.

Texture is an important feature in the eating experience.

Logic is an important feature in the intellectual experience.

 

[Joey McGee]

True. Skepticism. You claim your pink sime, or is it slime pink? I keep forgetting.

This takes the cake as the most forced, try hard, stupid and lame attempt at a dig on this thread.

You claim that people just love the stuff. So if that were true, and people like Ginger who claim not to like it are full of woo, then market it. If it is superior, market it!

Uhm they do market it. And they successfully marketed it for decades. And 70% of burger had it in it. McDonalds had it. For some reason McDonalds bought the product. In very high quantities. I think they marketed it very well. What no one was counting on was the ******* insane conspiracy theorists and naturalist woos like Jamie Oliver doing a hatchet job with no basis in fact destroying the market of ideas.

But you are not in favor of marketing it

Incorrect.

, not even labeling it. Why? Because knowledge of the product doesn't increase sales, it reduces sales.

No, misinformation and conspiracy theories did that. You are again trying to shift the burden of evidence when it is all yours.

So you can talk till the cows come home about your 12 man taste trials all you want. IT is all woo. I don't believe you. Industry is the one trying to pull the fast one on consumers. Industry is the one trying to secretly add their product to the food supply. You are the snake oil salesman backing all this with your carefully crafted slick marketing. If the product actually WAS what you so glowingly CLAIM, then industry would simply market it to meet consumer demand, which would grow due to the superior nature of the product at a lower price. They would do marketing on TV like the old Coke VS Pepsi taste offs.

This is amazing entertainment, your fantasies about how the world works.

They wouldn't skulk in the shadows and try to hide from the consumer their product exists.

That never happened. This is a slander. This is a lie. They took beef and added it to beef and the USDA agreed, and still does, that is the exact same product. You are making this up, and sounding completely fantastical, not a shred of evidence, not a single reference, not a single resort to physical science. Complete babble.

That's how a skeptical mind works. You think about the evidence and determine if it makes sense. You don't just accept the pablum (Pink slime) being force fed to you at face value.

WRONG. Completely wrong. Skepticism is letting the evidence speak for itself, and judging new information based on what has already been proven to be false it the past, as a philosophy.

Now Ginger and a few others in this thread have told you they don't like the crap.

I think they are delusional and couldn't tell the difference in a true test. And plus they cannot prove it is a different product and have proven over and over that they can't argue from the facts so who gives a ******

They want it labeled so they can avoid it. Taste is subjective. That means think you CAN NOT tell someone what they like and don't like. I like Broccoli. Some people hate Broccoli. It's just the way it is. Deal with it.

Some people think they can tell where then is a wifi signal and claim that it makes them ill. That has been disproven. Those people will need to find some evidence that they are allergic to wifi before anyone gives a ****. Same here. Have fun.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

This is a slander. This is a lie. They took beef and added it to beef and the USDA agreed, and still does, that is the exact same product.

Exact same?

Wrong. I am adament that it is different.

Which one is it Joey? Boxed yourself in there did you?

 

[jimbob]

Texture is an important feature in the eating experience.

Logic is an important feature in the intellectual experience.

True but off topic - unless you think it is somehow illogical to think that a product with a different texture to mince should not be put in mince without labelling.