Philip Zelikow, impartial?

Docker said:
I would set up the biggest commission in world history because, lets not forget, these were the biggest terrorist attacks in history and have had profound effects all over the world.
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I think what happened with 9/11 has been very clearly explained, and I think ample time and money has been spent investigating it.

-Gumboot
 
Hi docker

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"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." - André Gide

That would mean that you really don't want to find the truth after all right? Tell me, with that quote in your sig, if there was an new investigation, you wouldn't be satisfied with what they find?

Asking questions is so much more fun...

Carry on
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ETA: I'm not sure, but I think Gide was talking about religion and faith. (?)
 
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Docker said:
The families who debunkers claim they are defending should have input into the commision.
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Like any group thrown together by outside forces, the families of 9/11 victims represent just about every political note in the scale. I'm a bit uneasy that much of the truthers that I've been exposed to, seem not to be genuinely interested in unwraveling the 9/11 mysteries, but instead licking their chops at the opportunity to be served the heads of Dubya and company on a platter.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, I read countless statements from the families of victims, that they'd like to nuke the "middle east".

On a related note, it's sad but interesting to read about the arguments posed by 9/11 families, that involve rebuilding at ground zero.
 
Pardalis said:
Hi docker

[derail]
"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." - André Gide

That would mean that you really don't want to find the truth after all right? Tell me, with that quote in your sig, if there was an new investigation, you wouldn't be satisfied with what they find?

Asking questions is so much more fun...

Carry on
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ETA: I'm not sure, but I think Gide was talking about religion and faith. (?)
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Thats not the take I have on that quote at all. I think it means that we should constantly seek to improve our knowledge, not sit back as if we know it all.

I notice you "debunked" the easier of my quotes.

Would you care to have a crack at debunking the second one?
 
gumboot said:
I think what happened with 9/11 has been very clearly explained, and I think ample time and money has been spent investigating it.

-Gumboot
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The victims families dont agree with you, so it is you pissing on victims graves , my friend.
 
Docker said:
The victims families dont agree with you, so it is you pissing on victims graves , my friend.
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Would it have been pissing on the victims graves if the US military didn't use the full might of their resources for revenge, as many 9/11 families supported in the immediate aftermath of 9/11?
 
Docker said:
The victims families dont agree with you, so it is you pissing on victims graves , my friend.
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First off, I'm not your friend.

Second, disagreeing with someone does not equal pissing on a grave.

Thirdly, SOME family members of victims disagree. And some of those think the same sort of CT dribble that people like Alex Jones spew from their various bodily openings.

I'd be surprised if there WEREN'T some CT nut-jobs amongst families of victims. I mean, hell, there are tens of thousands of people who are directly related to 9/11 victims. If even 1% are CT nut jobs that's still 100+ people.

-Gumboot
 
Docker said:
Thats not the take I have on that quote at all. I think it means that we should constantly seek to improve our knowledge, not sit back as if we know it all.
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Point taken, that is your interpretation of it. That's the problem when you take quotes and try to fit them with the present situation.

As I said, I'm not sure what that quote means, I still think it has more to do with spirituality.

Any ways, could you answer my question?

Would you be satisfied with the results found by a new investigation?

Would you care to have a crack at debunking the second one?
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It has been debunked, here.
 
Docker said:
Why is there a need to pick one? A truly open, thorough and independent investigation would reveal if there was complicity or negligence, without necessarily having to seek either.

I think the investigation would have to start by looking at the real issues. Not hologram planes etc, but the Mahmood business, the August 8th briefing etc

The families who debunkers claim they are defending should have input into the commision.
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If my memory serves me corredtly wasn't there a family group that had a lot of input about who to question and some of the questions to be put to them? Wasn't it a family group that was a factor in there being a 9/11 commision instead of just the joint inquiry conducted the Senate and House intelligence committe ?
 
Pardalis said:
It has been debunked, here.
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Nah... Forget about that link, wrong thread. It seems the thread I was looking for is gone.

Nevertheless, it has been debunked here, and I have no time to redebunk it. Just to say, M. Jovenko is one, out of thousands of experts. Not what I would call compelling proof.

ETA: He also only saw videos of the fall of the builing, all of which showed pretty much the same angle. And I don't think he researched it very much.
 
Pardalis said:
Nah... Forget about that link, wrong thread. It seems the thread I was looking for is gone.

Nevertheless, it has been debunked here, and I have no time to redebunk it. Just to say, M. Jovenko is one, out of thousands of experts. Not what I would call compelling proof.

ETA: He also only saw videos of the fall of the builing, all of which showed pretty much the same angle. And I don't think he researched it very much.
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But debunkers claim that not a single expert agrees with truthers. Do you now concede that that is wrong?

By the way, I dont claim an investigation would be perfect. If it was conducted properly I would accept its findings. You know as well as I do that 9/11 will be researched for the next 100 years whatever happens, and so it should be.
 
Incidentally the fact that you think any claim can be "debunked" and that is the end of it is a perfect illustration of the Gide quote.
 
Docker said:
But debunkers claim that not a single expert agrees with truthers. Do you now concede that that is wrong?

By the way, I dont claim an investigation would be perfect. If it was conducted properly I would accept its findings. You know as well as I do that 9/11 will be researched for the next 100 years whatever happens, and so it should be.
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Do many claim that not a single expert agrees with truthers? But in this example did you have an expert who was willing to make an expert opinion after looking at a very inconclusive video. There are thousand and thousands who could be called experts how could it be that a couple wouldn't agree.

Most will say there are very , very few experts who do agree and some that do make statements that practically no one in their field would view as valid. Woods and the toppling tree is a good example.
 
LashL said:
I haven't been "talking to" you except for the response to your stupid post that you directed to me, so your post is rather lame (as was your previous one in which you misquoted me).

That said, you've nothing to worry about since I'm not in the habit of "talking to" pathetic cretins who lack even the most basic of critical thinking skills, and who do nothing but post ridiculous, unsupported assertions that they cannot support with facts.

Here's a hint, though, since you seem to lack even the most basic understanding of how internet forums work, posting on a thread that you happen to be posting on, and commenting on one or even dozens of your unsubstantiated posts on a given thread, does not mean that someone is "talking to" you.

Edit to add: and none of that has anything to do with the fact that you have failed to comprehend what I said, and that your posts have been largely a waste of time and bandwidth.
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