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Peter Hale EVP

dogbite666

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Hi,

Anybody know much about the experiments in the 70's involving Electronic Voice Phenomena? They are detailed in a book titled 'voices from tape' written by Peter Bender. Aparently Peter Hale, a well known electronic engineer of the time, over saw the experiments and ensured they were shielded from outside radio signals. He varified the EVP experiments and couldn't tell where the voices on the tapes were coming from.

Have these experiments been rebutted? If so what did Hale miss?

Regards,

Dogbite
 
I would start with, have the sounds on the tape been confirmed to be voices. Are these noises that someone can hear and say that it 'might be a voice', or are the clearly recognizable as voices?

You would think that it wouldn't have gotten to the book stage without those first questions ironed out, but frequently that isn't the case.
 
I agree, but apparently in these experiments voices were clearly heard to answear the questions when the tape was played back.
 
Where can we hear these tapes? Without evidence I consider this as valid as the Jesus papers.
 
As a tangent; if someone wanted to do a controlled EVP experiment they would need to, at the very least, conduct it in a sound proof room with a Faraday cage surrounding the equipment. Just my $0.02
 
Yes, I would like to hear the tapes as well. Clearly heard answering the questions by who? Do all parties who have heard the tape report that same opinion?

Surely that tape is preserved.
 
This is the source I was reading;

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~qr7s-tmym/ITC/EVPSE.htm

Obviously there was some sleight of hand and Peter Hale was fooled, but I am just wondering if anyone has ever reproduced the same effects, or if anyone has taken the JREF challenge with this same claim and failed.

I have been talking to Victor Zammit, who claims this EVP experiment and Peter Hale's testimony is evidence for the after life! Nuts I know, but I could do with something to shoot down this EVP claim.
 
Reading your source, it appears that there wasn't universal agreement that voices even existed on the tape. There certainly isn't agreement on the content of the voice messages, if they exist.

It doesn't sound like a very convincing tape.
 
dogbite666 said:
Obviously there was some sleight of hand and Peter Hale was fooled.......
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I disagree. I don't think there is obvious slight of hand (yet). If the tape is as unspectacular as I think it is, Peter would just be a dupe for believing that the noises he was hearing could be voices at all.
 
Scott,

I just read the source, and here is what it says about the tape:

"They taped Raudive's voice for eighteen minutes and none of the experimenters heard any other sounds. But when the scientists played back the tape, to their amazement, they heard over two hundred voices on it."

The way this is worded seems to me that the author of the article is implying that the "scientists" present all heard voices. I don't see the author saying or implying that some people present did not hear voices. Where in the article do you feel it is stated that there was not universal agreement? The article also seems to me to imply that at least some present agreed on certain words on the tape, but beyond that I don't find it stated one way or the other whether or not they agreed on the content of the voice messages.

Mike
 
Mike D. said:
Scott,

I just read the source, and here is what it says about the tape:

"They taped Raudive's voice for eighteen minutes and none of the experimenters heard any other sounds. But when the scientists played back the tape, to their amazement, they heard over two hundred voices on it."
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I can't read the link at the moment, as I am at work and our filters don't like that site for some reason. I'll check it out when I get home.

Did they listen to the tape BEFORE Raudive started recording? It was very easy to disable the pre-erasing on the old tape machines, so previous recordings would be clearly audible.
 
Verde,

The article doesn't say whether or not they listened to the tape before Raudive started recording.

Mike
 
Dogbite,

I think that if you are interested in rebutting these experiments, the only way to see if that is possible is to get as close to the original documentation as you can and read and analyze thoroughly and in depth. That is, unless you can find a report on the web or elsewhere by someone you feel is a reputable skeptic who has already done that. Perhaps such an analysis will come to light. The source you have been reading doesn't seem to me to provide the kind of detail that one would need to thoroughly analyze this claim.

Mike
 
I also agree that it would be of crucial importance to be able to listen to the original tapes, if they are still extant.
 
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