They indirectly admit that it can save human life.
It is true that indirectly say that medicinal tests on animal saves lives. They kinda have to since their vice-president would die without insulin. The ludicrous part is that PETA believes that you can save more lives by using more money informing people about things people already know.
Not really relevant. Babies have never heard of human rights, but they are still deemed by those who do have a concept of them to have them.
I prefer the term animal welfare to animal rights personally.
Yes, but babies grow up to be able to understand they have rights. Animals will never understand they have rights, so the comparison is not really valid.
You might prefer the term animal welfare over animal rights, but PETA makes a clear distinction between the two. I am all for animal welfare, but animal rights when we can't even make sure that every person grows up with basic human rights that is just too far out for me.
Yeah, this is pretty silly. It's dubious to claim bugs have feelings.. maybe to a very limited extent. I don't really know. But if they invade my house, I have no problem defending it with lethal force.
Alright, so we agree.
Dairy cows often are milked around 10 times more than they would be naturally. They're also impregnated every year. So the majority of the time, they're both pregnant and producing way more milk than normal. Around half also suffer from mastisis.
Though it is true that cows are most productive when they are impregnated every year. It is not needed, but is often practiced. What is also practiced on some farms is that the cows themselves decide when they want to be milked, by walking over to a milking robot and that works very well. Think about that the cow itself then wants to be milked. Sure it is trained to do this, but it still decide on its own when and generally it will want to be milked twice a day.
I agree it's not really consistent since they seem to be anti-pet. As for the outdoor/indoor thing, I think that's a value judgment. They recommended fenced yards and leashes for outdoor time, so they obviously aren't saying cats should always be indoors.
PETA is not anti-pet, they call it companion animal, but it is the same thing as the rest of us call pets. Have you ever tried to walk a cat on a leash? That is about the worst experience ever, they are not like dogs that will more or less happily follow you.
By PETA's logic we should all never leave the house, because it is not only cats that are in danger of getting run over or get killed by a nuts neighbor out there.
Where are the false statements in this link? Also, your argument is a ludicrous one. Humans have pointed teeth, therefore we have to eat meat to stay healthy despite all the studies showing this is not true?
Though it is true that you can survived with out eating meat just fine as a human. If you don't eat any animal products you are in risk of nor getting enough vitamins and iron.
We are still evolved from hunters, as our anatomy is evidence off as I pointed out. Primates are also evolved from hunters, but a lot of primates will never eat anything but fruits and insects their whole life. I don't see many humans eating insects, we tend to stick to meat instead.
So you care more about stopping cows going extinct than you care about feeding humans?
When you say "save a cow" you're talking about a hypothetical unborn cow. I couldn't care less if we stop breeding cows.
I don't want to save the cows over the humans.
I just think that PETA's statement is not thought true, because they make it sound like if we stop eating meat, then there will be no more cows that have to be feed. Besides since they are against killing bugs and other farmland crop killers as you read in my previous post, the production of food will not be nearly as high as it is today.
Well, producing synthetic replicas of leather is not better for the environment, at best it is the same impact, so their point is completely invalid.
"Humans are built to eat meat" is a meaningless statement. Nature doesn't have intention. We are built in such a way that we can either eat meat or not eat meat.
Nature doesn't have intentions is correct in a way, but still some animals evolved to be hunters and therefor meat eats. No point in being a hunter if you don't eat the damn thing once you caught it.
Their arguments and your counterarguments are both mostly irrelevant. Nature doesn't intend anything, and even if it did, who cares? The fact is, we can live perfectly healthily with or without meat consumption.
Yep, that was pretty much my point. It is not the meat that makes you unhealthy as PETA will have you believe.
So not all PETA activists think exactly the same way. Alright...
No, they don't all think alike but when you demonstrate in the name of an organization, then maybe that demonstration should be in line with that particular organizations standpoint on that issue. You representing the organization.
My ass we don't. What do you consider a "real problem"?
Real problems are when you have no clean drinking water and no clean food supply. You have no safety because your life is worth nothing to the people in power. Have you ever seen a squatter village in India, Brazil, Thailand, the Philippines or any other poor country. If you have then you will know that even the worst off people in the states and Europe have a much better life.
Not that I think we should be trying to emulate third world countries, but the idea that only the western world cares about animals is just wrong.
Philippines' Animal Welfare Act of 1998
Westerners don't have to think about anything? What are you talking about?
Yes, there are people here in the Philippines that care about animal welfare, but there are none that are talking about animal rights. Also they are not very active, because they know people don't care, when you have your own survival to think about every day, then you don't understand why some people would want to tell you that you can not kill and eat the animal that could feed your family.
That we have a law about animal cruelty here in the Philippines shouldn't be taken as someone cares about animals here. There are a lot of laws in the Philippines, but no one that follows them. It is also very illegal for a government official to be corrupt in the Philippines, but yet everyone knows that all government officials are the most corrupt people in the Philippines. When a lowly customs officer can by a Hummer cash in a 3rd world country, then you know someone has been receiving money from other than their paycheck. Don't make the mistake of taking the western world norms and standards and put them on a developing country, because it just doesn't work the same.
OK, my phrasing was not good. By not thinking about anything I mean, when you want a glass of water you turn on the fossett. When you need something to eat you go to one of the supermarkets around you and you can get anything you want. I think you get my point now. Survival in all western countries have become trivial and that is a good thing, but it also leaves us humans with a lot of time to think about other things, that before was trivial and now all of a sudden becomes wildly important, because we have nothing else to spend our time. In other words you are moving up in Maslow's hierarchy and as you get close to the top on of the things you use more and more time on is morality or rather your own personal version of morality and often that brings with it a need to teach that morality to others that does not share your morality.
