Pedophiles, problem or nuisance

[crimresearch]

Everyone else is having no trouble discussing it, what is your problem?

Troll got your tongue?

 

[Nolan Coppenger]

ROFLMAO you are discussing a different question, my question is not about unquestionable crimes of child pornography, my question is if an adult admits to attraction to children but has not acted on it is the adult guilty of a crime yes or no? I am asking only that question, if you don't want to answer it then don't answer it.

 

[American]

To repeat, do you have any evidence that people are being criminally punished for nothing other than 'attraction'? If so, why won't you discuss it?

IIRC, in Colorado they put that device onto paroled sex offenders like once a week or once a month. Then they make them sit and watch pornos. If they are aroused by rape videos, they get locked up. (I don't know whether they test their response to underage sex or not.)

I only heard this factoid once, so I'm a little sketchy on its accuracy.

 

[crimresearch]

Yes, the 'condition of release' is a different way of doing business in the CJ system, although I'm guessing it is pretty hard be eligible for release, without having first been convicted for an actual criminal action.

 

[crimresearch]

ROFLMAO you are discussing a different question, my question is not about unquestionable crimes of child pornography, my question is if an adult admits to attraction to children but has not acted on it is the adult guilty of a crime yes or no? I am asking only that question, if you don't want to answer it then don't answer it.

Nolan, I'll bet if you contact NAMBLA, they will be happy to talk with you as much as you want about your 'question'...unless of course, you are already a member.

 

[MRC_Hans]

So can anyone answer the question, if an adult admits to an attraction to children but never acts on it are they guilty of a crime, should they be punished or not, what should society do.

Of course they are not guilty of a crime. I have not heard of a country where it is in the legislation that you are not allowed to feel (sexually) attracted to children.

SO what should society do if somebody openly admits to being that? Nothing, I suppose, except maybe keep an eye on him. It does depend, however, what you mean by "admit". A confidential admission to a doctor or close friend is obviously entirely private, and that is that. OTOH, if this person repeatedly and publicly talks about it, I think it should ring a few alarm bells; such a preoccupation with the subject points at a potential perpetrator.

Hans

 

[TriangleMan]

Actually,.... I have, yes. In Canada, for example, a written text that counsels or advocates sex with a child is considered to be child pornography. <snip>

The relevant Canadian case is R. vs. Sharpe, where among the other evidence brought up at his trial were his private diaries describing his personal fantasies.

The Supreme Court of Canada ruled that there are exceptions for which a person could not be convicted:

Accordingly, s. 163.1(4) should be upheld on the basis
that the definition of "child pornography" in s. 163.1 should be read as thoughit contained an exception for: (1) any written material or visual representation created by the accused alone, and held by the accused alone, exclusively for his or her own personal use; and (2) any visual recording, created by or depicting
the accused, provided it does not depict unlawful sexual activity and is held by the accused exclusively for private use. These two exceptions apply as well to the offence of "making" child pornography under s. 163.1(2) (but not to printing, publishing or possessing child pornography for the purpose of publication). The exceptions will not be available where a person harbours any
intention other than mere private possession.

Thus if you write child porn story, but don't publish or distribute it, you can't be convicted of CP possession. Sharpe's diaries would also not be considered possession (unless he distributed it).

In the end Sharpe was found guilty anyway since some (but not all) of the CP materials he possessed were not made by him. Distribution of CP, or making CP videos, is illegal in Canada and the law has been upheld.

 

[Piscivore]

Actually,.... I have, yes. In Canada, for example, a written text that counsels or advocates sex with a child is considered to be child pornography.

… or any written material or visual representation that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years…." It's not clear that this definition would not include Nabokov's Lolita, which is widely recognized to be fiction.

I would say that it is the "counsels and advocates" part that exempts Lolita, as well as de Sade, and all literary fiction. I can't imagine Canada intended to outlaw the Bildungsroman.