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BBC Online, Nov. 5, 2004:
Larger passengers hit airline profits

The bigger passengers get, the more it costs to get them in the air

The US airline industry is facing a new threat to its profits - heavier passengers, a report has found.

According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the average US adult put on ten pounds (4.5 kgs) of weight during the 1990s.

Shifting the extra bulk cost airlines an additional $275m (£149m; 214m euros) in fuel costs in 2000, the report says.

Earnings at airlines have already been under pressure amid waning demand and a record surge in the price of crude oil.

Market squeeze

In the US, a number of carriers have gone bust while others are struggling to survive in an ever more competitive market place.

While it is relatively easy to check the weight of a traveller's luggage and charge those that bust limits, it is much harder to regulate a person's waistline.

Hand luggage is one thing; love handles, it seems, are another.

Burger
Food firms have come under fire over their menus

Some firms have toyed with the idea of charging obese travellers for two seats, but it is not a practice that has taken off industry-wide.

Last year, the Federal Aviation Administration increased by ten pounds the average passenger weight they use to calculate aircraft loads.

Since then crude oil prices have hit record levels, with many firms responding by raising the fuel surcharge they add to ticket prices.

The rising level of obesity in the US and in Europe has prompted government health campaigns and harsh criticism of a number of food firms.

Restaurant chain McDonald's has taken the brunt of the attack and has in recent months reworked its menu to include healthier options. The move has helped lift profits.

The prediction by experts, however, is that humans are set to become bigger, putting increasing pressure on airline profit.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3984973.stm
 
When I read this I thought the conflict of free-market principles here was almost funny:

1) You can have any amount of virtually free air travel, no matter the economic and environmental implications, because that is your right as a consumer.
2) It is also your right to stuff yourself to the eyeballs with fatburgers, grossbars, sugarslurp etc. whenever you fancy, and the junk food industry’s right to persuade you and your children to do so. At the same time you will remain slim and attractive because .... (never been too sure of the logic of this one).
3) A diet of fatburgers, grossbars, sugarslurp etc. leads to obese passengers, which increases air travel costs. Oh dear.

But it isn’t really funny; in fact it’s desperately sad to see stories like this and this and this.

From here: Over 30,000 deaths a year are caused by obesity in England alone. A study by the National Audit Office in 2002 estimated the condition costs the NHS £500 million a year. The overall cost to the country is estimated at up to £7.4 billion a year.

There have been several topics on this issue recently on the BBC’s ‘Have Your Say’ site. It seems that even the most moderate proposal (e.g. obliging restaurants to state the calorific value of each menu item, or regulating junk food ads aimed at children, or reducing portion sizes of junk food) will invariably provoke a barrage of antagonism from the neo-libertarians:

What a load of dangerous nonsense. People are overweight simply because they eat too much and don't exercise enough. If you or your children are overweight, it is YOUR fault and YOUR choice.

The government shouldn't do anything at all. Watching what one eats and choosing to exercise are responsibilities of the individual, not the state. Any campaign mounted by the government is likely to be, at best, an ineffective waste of taxpayers money, or at worst, intrusive and patronising.

Other than making being overweight a criminal offence nothing can be done to halt obesity. In a free society people have the right to eat what they want. Preventing obesity, like preventing smoking requires personal willpower, not ineffectual intervention and petty taxation from "the nanny state"

Oh please. How much more nanny-state pandering are we going to put up with?


I am always amazed at the callousness, bordering on downright hostility, that is displayed in these topics towards the unfortunate obese victims of consumerist ideology. Of course their lack of willpower is also to blame, but that makes me sympathise with them rather than gloat and sneer.
 
demon said:
BBC Online, Nov. 5, 2004:
Larger passengers hit airline profits

The bigger passengers get, the more it costs to get them in the air...


Lucky's post aside, which I didn't really understand, the solution is to charge by the pound.

Seems fair to me. This would encourage weight loss to some small extent and stop the whining.

Well, okay, it wouldn't stop the whining.
 
I am somewhat overweight...
I have no issue paying more to move my additional pounds, as long as the airlines provide me with a larger seat that will accomodate the bulk I'm paying for. Fair enough?
 
apoger said:
I am somewhat overweight...
I have no issue paying more to move my additional pounds, as long as the airlines provide me with a larger seat that will accomodate the bulk I'm paying for. Fair enough?

Free market solutions generally work best so, yea, fair enough. Most airlines would find it profitable to accommodate your extra girth. Actually they do now. It's called First Class. Even skinny guys like myself enjoy it. Plus, you get free booze!
 
From Rob Lister:
Lucky's post aside, which I didn't really understand
I wasn’t meaning to be cryptic. I’m not that interested in air travel so I was talking about obesity, which I don’t remember to have seen discussed here before.

I can’t comment on your country’s problem, which seems to be an order of magnitude (well, about 25 lb per person) worse than ours.

However, I truly believe that in the UK the government should take some radical action. Or, in fact, any action at all. But they always wimp out when, for example, a Commons Select Committee proposal to limit advertising for junk food during children’s TV is denounced as an attack on free speech.
 
I agree it's a mistake to treat obesity entirely as a matter of personal responsibility. Many people are overweight today because they were exposed to poor eating and exercise habits as children, and children don't carry much responsibility for their actions and environment.

It's been shown that people who have been overweight since childhood have a more difficult time staying at a healthy weight -- biologically, not in terms of willpower. That has to be taken into consideration.

On the other hand, such people aren't powerless, either. I was overweight as a child, and I still like to eat good food, and lots of it. I just have to get about 1000 or 1500 calories of exercise a day to make up for it, that's all.

Jeremy
 
What say all of us chaps sat in front of a monitor get up and do a bit of exercise just in case;)

Jim Bowen (who weighs 9 stone soaking wet through)
 
Yes, it seems pretty straight forward to me. In aviation, weight = money. Just a total of you and your luggage - end of story.
 

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