geni
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Hmm you igno0red SP1 and 2
you also missed
Ubuntu 4.10: oct 2004
Ubuntu 5.04: April 2005
Ubuntu 5.10 Oct 2005
Ubuntu 6.06 LTS June 2006
Ubuntu 6.10 Oct 2006
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Hmm you igno0red SP1 and 2
you also missed
Ubuntu 4.10: oct 2004
Ubuntu 5.04: April 2005
Ubuntu 5.10 Oct 2005
Ubuntu 6.06 LTS June 2006
Ubuntu 6.10 Oct 2006
Wowbagger
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Your list leaves out XP SP1 and XP SP2.
But, your main point still holds.
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What? A Mac is a PC.
I'm so old I still think of a PC as a personal computer. A Mac is a personal computer. Somewhere along the line the term IBM-PC or IBM-Clone lost the IBM and the clone part to become just PC. Lately the term PC seems to refer to Wintel boxes. I run Linux on an AMD64 but consider it a PC.
The Mac people started the fight. I have encountered many smug Mac users. It seemed to reach its height around the time Windows 95 was current. Win95 was not the best OS I've ever used and it was not very stable. The Mac users really had legitimate criticisms. Crticisms often used, I think, to cover some envy that they couldn't play some of the coolest games. (Gaming is another reason why Wintel did so well in the home.)
I found that running Linux on my PC stopped many MAC arguments. They'd say PCs are not stable like MACs. I'd say that's a Windows issue my PC with Linux is stable as a rock. I had one friend who refused to believe that my brand new PC could encode an MP3 faster than his five year old MAC. I tried to explain that in the last five years PC speeds were way up and I just plain had more processing power. He never really got it. I think he figured a RISC chip was always going to be better than a CISC chip. When Apple adopted the x86 Intel I had a good laugh.
I find now that it seems to be MS Win users that are smug. 'We are the most popular' ergo the best, is what I keep hearing.
Personally I think that technically MS Windows is the worst desktop OS available today. But it is popular and there is lots of software so it is impossible to escape. (Yet
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Me. I use WinXP at work. I use WinXP to play games on at home. I use Linux for my own personal computing. I'd buy a MAC in a minute if I thought I really needed one. I'd like one, actually. I really just like computers.
One more thing. If PCs are so easily upgraded why do I have six of them? They are easy to upgrade while still current but when they get a few years old upgrading can be near impossible. The most common PC upgrade is a whole new box.
I'm so old I still think of a PC as a personal computer. A Mac is a personal computer. Somewhere along the line the term IBM-PC or IBM-Clone lost the IBM and the clone part to become just PC. Lately the term PC seems to refer to Wintel boxes. I run Linux on an AMD64 but consider it a PC.
The Mac people started the fight. I have encountered many smug Mac users. It seemed to reach its height around the time Windows 95 was current. Win95 was not the best OS I've ever used and it was not very stable. The Mac users really had legitimate criticisms. Crticisms often used, I think, to cover some envy that they couldn't play some of the coolest games. (Gaming is another reason why Wintel did so well in the home.)
I found that running Linux on my PC stopped many MAC arguments. They'd say PCs are not stable like MACs. I'd say that's a Windows issue my PC with Linux is stable as a rock. I had one friend who refused to believe that my brand new PC could encode an MP3 faster than his five year old MAC. I tried to explain that in the last five years PC speeds were way up and I just plain had more processing power. He never really got it. I think he figured a RISC chip was always going to be better than a CISC chip. When Apple adopted the x86 Intel I had a good laugh.
I find now that it seems to be MS Win users that are smug. 'We are the most popular' ergo the best, is what I keep hearing.
Personally I think that technically MS Windows is the worst desktop OS available today. But it is popular and there is lots of software so it is impossible to escape. (Yet
)Me. I use WinXP at work. I use WinXP to play games on at home. I use Linux for my own personal computing. I'd buy a MAC in a minute if I thought I really needed one. I'd like one, actually. I really just like computers.
One more thing. If PCs are so easily upgraded why do I have six of them? They are easy to upgrade while still current but when they get a few years old upgrading can be near impossible. The most common PC upgrade is a whole new box.
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I think you nailed it with this point. I don't think there's an overwhelming hatred for Macs by Windows users, but a very small percentage will sure make it look that way. I would imagine that the average Windows user doesn't really think about Macs much at all.
I remember what it was like in the 80's with the Amiga vs. the PC; the Amiga was in the same camp as the Mac is now. We bantered a lot back and forth on BBSs at the time, but we all knew that it came down to a personal preference at the end of the day.
In the end, why do I care whether you have a Mac or a Windows PC?
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You're right it really shouldn't matter but I would like to see more people running different platforms to MS Windows. MS has always been attempting to leverage their market dominance to a computer world where they are the only game. We have web sites that only work on IE. We have the whole business world somehow thinking they can't function without MS Word. MS would love to be the proprietary software overlords who dictate the personal computing show. Encouraging people to use different platforms will make personal computing better for all.
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Wha? I thought Ubuntu was Linux. Linux is not Windows. Clearly I'm missing something and someone will hasten to straighten me out.
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Certainly, but those different platforms must be roughly of the same quality, usability, upgradability, price, etc. Otherwise not many people will be happy to be the guinea pigs.
You are missing the fact (as pointed out by jimlintott) that PC =/= Windows.
geni
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There are rather a lot of different OS's that run on PCs
Windows
The linux family
The BSD mob
BeOS
IBM OS/2
SkyOS
etc
There have been countless upgrades for XP.
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Ian Osbornes post was in reply to CFLarsen's post which was in reply to Wowbaggers post which stated "I choose Windows, because I am rich enough to afford the expensive upgrades"
so I'm assuming Wowbagger is talking about the major upgrades that you have to buy... not security patches, bug fixes. (which my Mac seems to automatically download as often as my PC does. I consider these "updates" as in "Windows Update" as opposed to upgrades)
Granted, SP1 and SP2 added plenty of features but there have been twice as many major upgrades (If we want to call SP1 and SP2 major upgrades and yes I know they were free) to OS X in this same time.
So to the criticism "you don't have to wait so long for Windows ugrades as you do Mac upgrades"...That's BS.
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We're still upset that the Newton never caught on.
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The biggest OS snob I know in real life is a Mac-man. The second biggest is my father, who is on Windows and wishes he had a Mac.
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I think it boils down to Windows machines provides choice and adaptability where Mac provides stability and ease.
Almo
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You lose. Prices are not prohibitive, if you include maintenance and ease of use. I can upgrade my Mac.
Almo
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Yup. Whether you preferred EGA with a sound beeper, or loads of colors, with 4-channel stereo sound.
Who started it in the MacWorld 2007 thread? PC user.
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Yeah, that's right... Go play with your spreadsheets you damn 386'ers!!Yup. Whether you preferred EGA with a sound beeper, or loads of colors, with 4-channel stereo sound.
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Understood. But Ubuntu is Linux. Linux runs on Macs as well. So it's not appropriate to list it as a PC OS upgrade.
Just curious. What percent of PCs out in the world actually do run on a non-Microsoft OS?