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Ahem. My point is that people using minority systems should ensure they are compatible with majority systems. If Photoshop cannot handle the graphics file, then the fault is with the sender. I'm not downloading something else to my PC when I have industry standard software already.

But if they're doing something wrong, the fault is with the Mac user, not the Mac. In which case, I change my original statement to: I dislike Mac users.

*ducks*
 
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tkingdoll said:
Ahem. My point is that people using minority systems should ensure they are compatible with majority systems. If Photoshop cannot handle the graphics file, then the fault is with the sender. I'm not downloading something else to my PC when I have industry standard software already.

But if they're doing something wrong, the fault is with the Mac user, not the Mac. In which case, I change my original statement to: I dislike Mac users.

*ducks*
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I wouldn't call it "wrong" but mostly uninformed.

You dislike me? Well fine. I dislike your boobs.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Or you could get yourself an Intel Mac and dual boot it! :D
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I do this already, however parallels may be easier for some to deal with in regards to user interface. It would seem to me running the windows programs on the desktop of your OSX boot is easier than having to reboot every time you want to do a small task.

That said, I haven't needed to boot into windows in months. I should probably boot into it and get all the pertinent updates.
 
fowlsound said:
I do this already, however parallels may be easier for some to deal with in regards to user interface. It would seem to me running the windows programs on the desktop of your OSX boot is easier than having to reboot every time you want to do a small task.
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Absolutely - my reply was intended for Teek, but you beat me to it! :D
 
fowlsound said:
Problem solved with Parallels. The Mac user can now run windows programs on the fly side by side with their OSX stuff.

If your mac user clients have a PPC mac, not an intel one, then there are other solutions (like the suggested GIMP etc. which your mac friend can use to save in a more windows friendly format) and as for the chat program, Adium is a multi-chat-support program that can work for any type of chat system (Messenger, Gtalk, Jabber, AIM etc.) for mac that supports all the functions you describe.

Whenever I hear of someone on a windows platform having trouble with something sent to them by a mac user it is invariably due to the mac user not understanding the abilities they have to save in windows friendly formats.
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And certainly a Windows user can save in non Mac-friendly format as well (Such as a Windows Bitmap, or WMV).
 
tkingdoll said:
Ahem. My point is that people using minority systems should ensure they are compatible with majority systems. If Photoshop cannot handle the graphics file, then the fault is with the sender. I'm not downloading something else to my PC when I have industry standard software already.

But if they're doing something wrong, the fault is with the Mac user, not the Mac. In which case, I change my original statement to: I dislike Mac users.

*ducks*
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No need to duck, ducks. You are right on the mark wrt the formats.

Why on Earth is it my problem, if people send me something that is only read by a minuscule part of the computing world? If someone wants to show me something, or deliver a product, it is their bloody responsibility that I can use it.

It is the height of arrogance to demand that you cater to their little world. Oh, the stories I could tell...

fowlsound said:
I wouldn't call it "wrong" but mostly uninformed.
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No, it's not uninformed. Mac users are not stupid. They know all too well.
 
CFLarsen said:
No, it's not uninformed. Mac users are not stupid. They know all too well.
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There is a huge differnce between "stupid" and "uninformed."

Generalizing mac users they way you have is logically indefensible, and may give computer users too much credit.

There are file formats unique to each of the major OS's. You could save things in a format Mac and Linux users can't use just as easily as they could save a file you can't use. The issue was Teek being a Windows user, and her clients not understanding that they need to save in specific formats. After chatting with teek in IRC about this, I've concluded that the mac users were saving in a mac specific format which is probably the default for the suite of apps. Given the amount of design shops that use macs, it may not be an issue for them to figure out how to save to a windows friendly format, so they may not know.

Lighten up Claus, your rabid anti-mac rhetoric is just as irritating as rabid anti-windows rhetoric. It is also a strawman, just like those stupid mac commercials perpetuating decades old myths that don't apply anymore.

I use macs because quite simply I choose to use Logic 7 as the backbone of my studio. I could use Protools on a PC (though Protools was developed on a mac originally) or Cubase, but Logic 7 fits my needs and external hardware without problems. I've tried using some of my equipment on PCs and it was buggy and a mess. I constantly had to hunt down the latest driver for my equipment and I was sick of it. Since all my equipment is supported in OSX's Core Audio, I no longer have to do that.

That's not to say Windows machines do not have a valid implimentation in sound production. Pipelineaudio uses almost exclusively windows machines. Good for him.

To be honest, if there were an opensource suite as robust as Logic 7 out there, I would be using Linux boxes. I am more comfortable with them. I am comfortable on my mac because I can open a terminal window and it is a unix environment. That is what I am comfortable with. If you are comfortable with windows, then fine use it. If a client of mine asks for something from my machines the first question I have is "What format do you want that in?" This is the question anyone should ask whether they use a mac or windows or linux and once the format is set, you should then know how to use your platform to save files as requested. That's just good customer service.
 
tkingdoll said:
Ahem. My point is that people using minority systems should ensure they are compatible with majority systems. If Photoshop cannot handle the graphics file, then the fault is with the sender. I'm not downloading something else to my PC when I have industry standard software already.

But if they're doing something wrong, the fault is with the Mac user, not the Mac. In which case, I change my original statement to: I dislike Mac users.

*ducks*
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As a raving, wild eyed, Open Source supporter (I'm no RMS but he is my hero :p) your answer disturbs me.

While many of us are trying desperately to keep your data yours, companies like MS are trying to make your data theirs. Proprietary file formats and so called industry standards can be the slippery slope to having to pay to use your own data.

Instead of blaming the MAC user call MS and ask why the world's most popular and ubiqitous OS can't open every different file format. Surely it would be near trivial for a company like MS to add this support.

Truth is they don't want to. They want you to use their formats on their software. I don't necessarily blame them they are in business to satisfy their stock holders...er, I mean satisfy their customers.

Support open formats don't lose your data to proprietary formats.
 
jimlintott said:
As a raving, wild eyed, Open Source supporter (I'm no RMS but he is my hero :p) your answer disturbs me.

While many of us are trying desperately to keep your data yours, companies like MS are trying to make your data theirs. Proprietary file formats and so called industry standards can be the slippery slope to having to pay to use your own data.

Instead of blaming the MAC user call MS and ask why the world's most popular and ubiqitous OS can't open every different file format. Surely it would be near trivial for a company like MS to add this support.

Truth is they don't want to. They want you to use their formats on their software. I don't necessarily blame them they are in business to satisfy their stock holders...er, I mean satisfy their customers.

Support open formats don't lose your data to proprietary formats.
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/me cheers!
 
jimlintott said:
As a raving, wild eyed, Open Source supporter (I'm no RMS but he is my hero :p) your answer disturbs me.

While many of us are trying desperately to keep your data yours, companies like MS are trying to make your data theirs. Proprietary file formats and so called industry standards can be the slippery slope to having to pay to use your own data.

Instead of blaming the MAC user call MS and ask why the world's most popular and ubiqitous OS can't open every different file format. Surely it would be near trivial for a company like MS to add this support.

Truth is they don't want to. They want you to use their formats on their software. I don't necessarily blame them they are in business to satisfy their stock holders...er, I mean satisfy their customers.

Support open formats don't lose your data to proprietary formats.
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Why do you blame MS for wanting us to use their formats, if you don't blame non-MS companies for wanting us to use theirs?
 
All of the people that I know, that I know own a mac, also own a PC.



QED Biatch. :p
 
CFLarsen said:
Why do you blame MS for wanting us to use their formats, if you don't blame non-MS companies for wanting us to use theirs?
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because microsoft like to keep their formats secret and keep changing them to make interoperability hard. To the extent that other companies do that, they also are culpable.
 
Terry said:
because microsoft like to keep their formats secret and keep changing them to make interoperability hard. To the extent that other companies do that, they also are culpable.
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...so, why blame MS, and not the other companies?
 
which part of "To the extent that other companies do that, they also are culpable." did you not understand?
 
jimlintott said:
As a raving, wild eyed, Open Source supporter (I'm no RMS but he is my hero :p) your answer disturbs me.

While many of us are trying desperately to keep your data yours, companies like MS are trying to make your data theirs. Proprietary file formats and so called industry standards can be the slippery slope to having to pay to use your own data.

Instead of blaming the MAC user call MS and ask why the world's most popular and ubiqitous OS can't open every different file format. Surely it would be near trivial for a company like MS to add this support.

Truth is they don't want to. They want you to use their formats on their software. I don't necessarily blame them they are in business to satisfy their stock holders...er, I mean satisfy their customers.

Support open formats don't lose your data to proprietary formats.
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I don't care whose fault it is. I just want whatever the most popular and most used format is to be able to read whatever a client sends me. I don't have any problems with other PC users, but I always get problems with Mac users, and their attitude when I have to go back to them and ask them to do it again is invariably "if you had a Mac this wouldn't happen". Yes, and if they had a PC it wouldn't happen, and majority rules.

But Fowl has already confirmed that if the file won't open, the Mac user is at fault because the file would open if he did something different.
 
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