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PC vs MAC

geni said:
No idea I just selected a machine that cost less than the mac and then put in as much stuff that would out perform the mac while staying below the MAC in price. It isn't something I would buy (I'd go for a weaker graphics card but stronger motherboard and CPU).
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I think the problem is for any comparison is what it's used for. I game, a lot, so I require something hefty in the GPU department and as much good RAM as I can cram in there, that makes an expensive computer. Skeptic appears to be your typical "web surfing, email and word processor" type who would be happy with a £400 Dell (apologies if that's a misrepresentation Skeptic). Joe public, in my eyes, just seem to throw as much money as they can to get the biggest numbers that they don't understand so they can boast to their equally bemused mates at the pub.



Give it time.
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Well the last time I saw a major bit of news regarding Physics engines (which was a while ago, admittedly), it was Nvidia were going to be using the Havok engine using spare GPU cycles. Since, realistically, only gamers would be interested in this sort of add-on and since they already have the beefy cards it's a win-win situation :)
 
Skeptic said:
Am I the only one who sees a computer as simply a machine to do certain things with, and care not at all about what software, exactly, is used to do it? I am using a five- or six-year-old machine.

While I will have to upgrade eventually, I suppose, I find it absurd that people find it necessary to buy a new computer strong enough to run the new operating system... which in effect, simply allows you to do all the stuff you could do with the OLD machine, anyway. What's the point?

Then again, I still listen to LPs and have a 20-year-old television, so perhaps I'm not representative.
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I'm a computer science PhD student, and I feel the same way. My PC is about the same age as yours. Trying to keep up with the tech curve is boring and expensive.
 
Wudang said:
Was it "the best"? The device driver support was FUBARed. It took them ages to get past or even acknowledge the single message queue issue. There's no such thing IMNVHO, there's only fit for purpose. Lifestyle choices are for people without lives.
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Purely gossip, but I read that IBM thought it was a bad idea to have that single queue, but Microsoft was adamant it was OK, and stuck with it. It caught me out more than once.
 
geni said:
In this case hardware with more processing power and more abilities.
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Then go with a no-name product straight from a prison labor camp. People who buy the cheapest model that "meets spec" usually pay their money to learn a lesson in "value."
 
phyz said:
Then go with a no-name product straight from a prison labor camp. People who buy the cheapest model that "meets spec" usually pay their money to learn a lesson in "value."
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So you consider an iPod a a "no-name" product but isn't the iPod a "name" product?
 
Darat said:
So you consider an iPod a a "no-name" product but isn't the iPod a "name" product?
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How did you get from what Phyz said to this? He's talking about computers, not digital audio players, and as you said, the iPod is anything but a no-name product.
 
Ian Osborne said:
How did you get from what Phyz said to this? He's talking about computers, not digital audio players, and as you said, the iPod is anything but a no-name product.
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I thought he was just talking about computer hardware and the terrible conditions and given the terrible conditions of the workers n the regards to the manufacturing of its iPods in my opinion means that Apple has absolutely no credibility in regards to being an ethical company - "Designed in California - built by slaves in China" would be a more honest by line on its products! :(
 
Darat said:
I thought he was just talking about computer hardware and the terrible conditions and given the terrible conditions of the workers n the regards to the manufacturing of its iPods in my opinion means that Apple has absolutely no credibility in regards to being an ethical company - "Designed in California - built by slaves in China" would be a more honest by line on its products! :(
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Yes, there's definitely a case to answer there, but it doesn't meet Phyz' twin conditions of being a no-name product built in a prison camp. He's talking cheap and nasty. iPods are neither, even if the factories that produce them are...
 
Ian Osborne said:
Yes, there's definitely a case to answer there, but it doesn't meet Phyz' twin conditions of being a no-name product built in a prison camp. He's talking cheap and nasty. iPods are neither, even if the factories that produce them are...
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emphasis mine

I disagree. Ipods are a perfect example of an unexceptional product with intelligent marketing that won out against its competitors. Ipod is more like Windows in that respect.
 
The iPod was (IMHO) a product that did what others had done before but got it right, with a decent storage capacity and an interface which made using it a pleasure, not a chore. I disagree that it was 'unremarkable', but even if we accept that it was, there's a country mile between 'unremarkable' and 'cheap and nasty'.
 
I just wanted to pop in and say that I use a mac at work, and have never had any compatibility problems. I could connect to our server in Portland just fine. I could print documents (word, excel, powerpoint, emails, ad nauseum) on our printers just fine. I could send and recieve attachments to hundreds of our customers just fine. And believe me when I say that the transportation industry is not boiling over with tech-savvy individuals.

I've had our sales reps and high-profile customers practically **** their pants when I show them what I can do with this thing. If you're having compatibility issues, then you've got to be a seriously dim bulb, because I'm an idiot and I've managed to use my mac in a very productive fashion.
 
Zygar said:
Ipods are a perfect example of an unexceptional product with intelligent marketing that won out against its competitors.
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The user interface on those things is terrible. If a menu is open, you can't control the volume. If you're trying to scroll down a menu, you always reach a point where you're fiddling between three different options, skipping the one in the middle that you actually want (especailly if the touch pad is getting a little old.) There's no simple on/off switch. You have to read through manuals to figure that out.

I'm tired of hearing about how "intuitive" they are. That's a total lie. Intuitive would be a volume knob, two up/down scroll buttons that doubled as FF/RW, and an on/off switch. Apple may have designed a device with a nice aesthetic, but intuitive? Ha!
 
delphi_ote said:
The user interface on those things is terrible. If a menu is open, you can't control the volume. If you're trying to scroll down a menu, you always reach a point where you're fiddling between three different options, skipping the one in the middle that you actually want (especailly if the touch pad is getting a little old.) There's no simple on/off switch. You have to read through manuals to figure that out.

I'm tired of hearing about how "intuitive" they are. That's a total lie. Intuitive would be a volume knob, two up/down scroll buttons that doubled as FF/RW, and an on/off switch. Apple may have designed a device with a nice aesthetic, but intuitive? Ha!
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I'm glad you said that, because I thought I was a total moron for not being able to operate my iPod video the first time I tried it. I was using the 'intuitive' wheel like a laptop or DS touchpad - up for up and down for down. Silly me. Eventually Jeff Wagg explained "it's a wheel, you go round like a dial".

Intuitive my rear end.
 
phyz said:
Then go with a no-name product straight from a prison labor camp. People who buy the cheapest model that "meets spec" usually pay their money to learn a lesson in "value."
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Oh I could meet the spec and knock of another few hundred. In my world dell is not "no name". It may not be an ideal name but it is Dell. The claim was that Dell would not have a significant price difference compared to a MAC with the same specs. I think I have firmly debunked this for both ends of the spectrum.
 
Ah, the iPod. That wonderful feeling of discovering that my 250 euros Nano doesn't have the gapless playback that my friend's totally unknown 30 euros player has. And that I can't simply drag 'n' drop some files in it to play them, I have to transfer them via the iTunes.
 
geni said:
The claim was that Dell would not have a significant price difference compared to a MAC with the same specs.
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I musta got lost. I don't recall reading that specific claim. Dell? Kindly point me to it.
 
delphi_ote said:
The user interface on those things is terrible.
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No one who hates iPods should ever get one. Apple will buck up and try to survive without your patronage.

And if you've got a better interface idea, go for it and see how it fares in the marketplace. As far as I can tell, Apple doesn't have a gun at anyone's head.
 
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