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“Paranormal Challenge Irregulars”

kedo1981

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Here’s a thought!
Seems lot a lot of folks who would take the challenge are now put off by the affidavit requirement.
What if we made that hump a little easier for them to get over?
Enter the “Paranormal Challenge Irregulars” (Sherlock Holmes, Baker St. Irregulars; get it {wink,wink;nudge,nudge})
Forum members like us, could fill this role.
They (the “PCI”) would (could) provide a witness to said challenger.
Of course it would have to be expressly known and under stood that the PCI was not a representative of the JREF and that this witnessed demonstration is in no way part of the scientific “testing” that the challenge requires.
Conversely, the PCI will not make a judgment on whether the claim by the challenger is a load of el-toro-poo-poo.
The only function of the PCI would be to sign an affidavit that states “hey this guy did something I can’t explain”.
So what thinks yee?
If there were a challenger close enough to you, would you have a look?
 
If I knew somebody who had a claim, I would not only act as a witness, I'd even help him fill out the forms. You'd think these guys would be all over the forums asking for help...but no.

I think we have to face the fact that a lot of the challengers are in need of more than someone who can sign an affidavits.
 
kedo1981 said:
Here’s a thought!
Seems lot a lot of folks who would take the challenge are now put off by the affidavit requirement.
What if we made that hump a little easier for them to get over?
Enter the “Paranormal Challenge Irregulars” (Sherlock Holmes, Baker St. Irregulars; get it {wink,wink;nudge,nudge})
Forum members like us, could fill this role.
They (the “PCI”) would (could) provide a witness to said challenger.
Of course it would have to be expressly known and under stood that the PCI was not a representative of the JREF and that this witnessed demonstration is in no way part of the scientific “testing” that the challenge requires.
Conversely, the PCI will not make a judgment on whether the claim by the challenger is a load of el-toro-poo-poo.
The only function of the PCI would be to sign an affidavit that states “hey this guy did something I can’t explain”.
So what thinks yee?
If there were a challenger close enough to you, would you have a look?
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Not a bad idea. However, the JREF already has a problem just finding people to conduct the tests. I am not sure how many folks around here would be willing to spend the time to do it.
 
Doubt said:
Not a bad idea. However, the JREF already has a problem just finding people to conduct the tests. I am not sure how many folks around here would be willing to spend the time to do it.
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Heck, I'd do it if the claimant lived a reasonable driving distance from me.
 
Me too. I'd be happy to conduct a preliminary test as well, if the JREF needed someone in my area. Does the JREF have a list or something of people to call for conducting tests?
 
I've thought about this too. If there were a claimant near me, I would gladly witness them doing what they claim to do and, if I don't know how they did it, would sign an affidavit saying so. I would love to do it.
 
I don't think I'm qualified to run a test, but I'm certainly willing to help in whatever way possible (I can at least follow simple directions).

I've offered to help people write their applications as well. Strangely they always seem to have one more objection.

LLH
 
I'd be willing to help in any way needed if there were anybody around Vancouver, BC applying. I am a lawyer, so I could take affidavits. I'd even be prepared to do it for free if the affidavit is for the JREF challenge.
 
It is a good idea, but I question coverage. Do the forum (ir)regulars cover a sufficent area to work? More importantly, do they cover enough of the areas where the paranormal seems to appear?

I think a more likely avenue of assistance would be if a forum member were to help an applicant understand what a solid test protocol is like, and then direct them to a skeptic association in their area.

But then, we'll need applicants that can understand and follow directions first.
 
Don’t get me wrong this wouldn’t, shouldn’t be misconstrued to be anything like even the preliminary test; this would only be to get the claimant over the hurdle of the affidavits.
Any idea that this is for testing for the prize is (should be) off limits.
 
Jon. said:
I'd be willing to help in any way needed if there were anybody around Vancouver, BC applying. I am a lawyer, so I could take affidavits. I'd even be prepared to do it for free if the affidavit is for the JREF challenge.
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Lawyer eh?

There might be a paranormal claim in there somewhere. Something about proving you're human....




(wink)
 
kedo1981 said:
Don’t get me wrong this wouldn’t, shouldn’t be misconstrued to be
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Right there, that kind of shoots this idea down.

Have you read the correspondance from Kramer's bag-of-granola? When you eliminate the fruits and the nuts, all that is left are the flakes! I suspect there's no way you would be able to put the idea that "this is just to help you get the affidavits" across to the average claimant....
 
drkitten said:
Right there, that kind of shoots this idea down.

Have you read the correspondance from Kramer's bag-of-granola? When you eliminate the fruits and the nuts, all that is left are the flakes! I suspect there's no way you would be able to put the idea that "this is just to help you get the affidavits" across to the average claimant....
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That is true. There are lots of lies and "misunderstandings" about the million dollar challenge. I can just hear it now. "The JREF sent someone out and they made tricked me into challenge I couldn't do. Or "the JREF guy came out and I demonstrated it to him and he even signed the affidavit, but they didn't give me the money!"
 :mad:

LLH
 
I would gladly take a part in that effort. XP


So, would anyone like to make a map of the world with red dots-signifying those from the forums who are willing to participate? ;)
 
I wouldn’t recommend anyone have any contact with the likes of Hondaracing or that ilk; but they are not "ALL" nuts; (are they?)
If it’s made clear that the “PCI’s” are not “agents” for JREF, then what would a challengers recourse be?
 
kedo1981 said:
I wouldn’t recommend anyone have any contact with the likes of Hondaracing or that ilk; but they are not "ALL" nuts; (are they?)
If it’s made clear that the “PCI’s” are not “agents” for JREF, then what would a challengers recourse be?
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Same as usual: Ignoring all facts, spouting lies, whining, and going "la la la" while fingertips touch between the ears.

Rasmus.
 
kedo1981 said:
If it’s made clear that the “PCI’s” are not “agents” for JREF, ...
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That appears to be part of the problem, though.

There appear to be a substantial number of challenge applicants to whom nothing whatsoever can be made clear, including such simple aspects as "you must apply in writing," or "photographs are not acceptable as evidence," or "you must have your application notarized."

If our hypothetical applicant cannot understand the need for a written application, what are the odds of him being able to understand subtlies of agency?
 
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