Paranormal Ability Was Demonstrated!

[Shine Sun]

Dear all:.

First time! A paranormal ability was demonstrated! I healed up a chronic disease by the paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing, only several days were used up. Perhaps, Mr. James Randi will be delighted to hear this good news. Please help me to tell this good news to Mr. James Randi, maybe it is what Mr. James Randi has expected for a long time. Certainly, it is only a beginning. The demonstration is as follows over the forum of JingLuo and QiGong (http://www.swyy.net/bbs/jlqg):

The post of Shine Sun on 11/15/2004, at 20:30:10 :
"Today (2004/11/15)19:00-19:46, I did the Qi Connection again to you. I swept through your acantha by my Qi, especially the parts below lumbar. I felt hot and painful on my acantha, a little pain on my waist muscles. Heat is pain, pain is heat, that is the law of human body. This signified your lumbar pain was healed in some way by my QiGong. More several times like this, you will be healed over. Today, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, you will feel better. Waiting for your good news."

The post of Nan on 11/16/2004 at 21:45:21 :
"Within these days, I still feel not good on my back and waist. I still can not sleep more than 6 to 7 hours, or I will feel painful."

The post of Nan on 11/19/2004 at 17:55:35 :
"Thank you, although my waist pain was not improved greatly, but now I can lie in bed for a longer time, and the pain is more bearable than before."

The post of Shine Sun on 11/20/2004 at 00:33:31:
"I am pleased. Your waist pain will be healed over after more several times. Now, I am alreay very confident! My waist swollen feeling still exists."

The post of Nan on 11/24/2004 at 12:54:23:
"Today, I must thank you very much! This morning, I felt much better! Today, I have slept 8 to 9 hours. Within the sleep, I got up only one time. Thanks!"

Conclusion:
It is normal of sleeping for 8 to 9 hours per day. That is to say, Nan's disease was healed over by 9 days and only one time healing.

I demonstrated my paranormal ability by myself. I will apply for the paranormal challenge in coming near future.

Shine Sun, a Chinese QiGong master

 

[Ashles]

Yes, James Randi will be delighted at your anecdotal evidence and the useful link to an internet forum written in chinese.

I am sure he is arranging for a wire transfer of the million dollars even as we speak.

 

[Lothian]

Sun Shine.

I am sorry it got this far. I have a confession. I am Nan and I made it all up . I had no pain (apart from a hangover) . I trust my little joke hasn’t caused you any inconvenience,

Sorry again

NAN

 

[sf108]

Laugh. What is with claimant's saying "I will apply...IN THE FUTURE"? Why the future? Why not NOW? So you can go buy your Opel SV GTS V8 asap? And splurge at Armani Exchange? Why wait for money? If I had your incredible powers...I'll not only apply for Randi's Challenge, but every other challenge on offer.

Look how ShineSun gets so excited.

By the way, ShineSun, can you care to answer this question in pinyin? Ni zai ze li gan sm? Ni you yisi ma?

Thx.

 

[Kimpatsu]

Yes, James Randi will be delighted at your anecdotal evidence and the useful link to an internet forum written in chinese.

The forum is an internet discussion board on Qi Gong. As far as I can see, there are no skeptics on there, only enthusiastic upholders of the belief in said power. FYI, the board's title reads, "Meridians and Qi Gong Board".

 

[Carn]

The post of Nan on 11/24/2004 at 12:54:23:
"Today, I must thank you very much! This morning, I felt much better! Today, I have slept 8 to 9 hours. Within the sleep, I got up only one time. Thanks!"

Conclusion:
It is normal of sleeping for 8 to 9 hours per day. That is to say, Nan's disease was healed over by 9 days and only one time healing.

I demonstrated my paranormal ability by myself. I will apply for the paranormal challenge in coming near future.

Shine Sun, a Chinese QiGong master

Careful Shine Sun, i do not know, what exact disease Nan had, but chronic diseases can wax and wane over time, so it could be possible, that hi is just now in a phase where his disease is weaker.
You should wait to see, how he develops in the next weeks or months(depending on disease), because it would look bad, if you claim now you have healed him and in 4 weeks, he suffers same problem again.

Also you need to know, if natural healing is possible and how likely in case of this disease, before you can apply, because JREF will surely check such things in case of a non-DBPC test.

Carn

 

[CFLarsen]

Shine Sun,

Can I see Nan's medical records? Before and after, please.

 

[Kimpatsu]

Can I see Nan's medical records? Before and after, please.

How about during?

 

[Rob Lister]

How about during?

It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. I'm sure you can use that as a springboard to launch another 100+ post thread on how unfair Randi is.

Perhaps you have some other talent, like dowsing, that you can demonstrate. Otherwise, you are SOL.

 

[Shine Sun]

Ashles and Lothian:

Yes, James Randi will be delighted at your anecdotal evidence and the useful link to an internet forum written in chinese.

I am sorry it got this far. I have a confession. I am Nan and I made it all up . I had no pain (apart from a hangover) . I trust my little joke hasn’t caused you any inconvenience,

I will let you see just at this forum with your eyes!

sf108

What is with claimant's saying "I will apply...IN THE FUTURE"? Why the future? Why not NOW?

I want to discuss the details with Carn.

By the way, ShineSun, can you care to answer this question in pinyin? Ni zai ze li gan sm? Ni you yisi ma?

Bad pinyin, but I know your meaning. I think it is interesting. I have to say that you know Chinese well. Maybe I need your translation when I take the Prize in USA.
"Ni zai ze li gan sm?"ä½_在这里干什么? What will you do here? I want to win the money.
"Ni you yisi ma?"ä½_有意思吗? Do you have something? Yes, I have something. A bad Chinese.

Kimpatsu:

the board's title reads, "Meridians and Qi Gong Board".

I did not see the title, maybe you did a wrong translation. Could you write it in Chinese? Would you like to translate my poems written in Chinese?

Carn:

chronic diseases can wax and wane over time,

Thank you for your reminding, I will follow up Nan's health.

Also you need to know, if natural healing is possible and how likely in case of this disease, before you can apply, because JREF will surely check such things in case of a non-DBPC test.

The natural healing is possible, but impossible to be so fast.

CFLarsen:

Can I see Nan's medical records? Before and after, please.

Ok, I will try. Maybe a little difficult, because I do not know where Nan lives and his real name. Moreover, I did not want to win the Prize by this time test. I will do a more convincing test just at this forum before your eyes.

Rob Lister:

It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. I'm sure you can use that as a springboard to launch another 100+ post thread on how unfair Randi is.

Important information, a bad news! Thank you for your reminding. I will claim that I can do a long distance Qi connection. This has been confirmed by Randi that it is a paranormal ability. And the disease healing will be regarded as evidence. Is it a good idea?

Thank you all!

Shine Sun

 

[Ashles]

I will let you see just at this forum with your eyes!

Listen Shine Sun (or Bob from Dagenham or whoever you are) we are hardly going to be convinced by what you and someone else on a forum claim has happened.

No proof for the paranormal will ever be obtained over an internet forum as the most incredible stories and events described could also be perfectly imitated by, say, any moron with a computer who can type words.

We don't even have any evidence that you and Nan aren't the same person.

This is all very silly to discuss.

Send off an application and get back to us when you have done that.

 

[sf108]

ShineSun, didn't I say to reply in pinyin? And not in English? We all know your English skills are flawless... *cough cough*.

And why do you have to "discuss the details with Carn"? He's not part of JREF. He's just a forum goer. If you have incredible powers, why not apply for the 1Mil challenge? That'll cover your airfares to and from the USA 1000 times over...plus you can give me a Opel/Holden HSV GTS 300kW for advising you on this. tsk tsk

 

[Carn]

It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. I'm sure you can use that as a springboard to launch another 100+ post thread on how unfair Randi is.

Perhaps you have some other talent, like dowsing, that you can demonstrate. Otherwise, you are SOL.

KRAMER wrote in another thread:
(http://www.internationalskeptics.co...617&perpage=40&highlight=healing&pagenumber=2)
" quote:Originally posted by Carn
Why is divine healing not allowed?



I'm reviewing this with Randi today. I would suspect that JREF should accept all healing claims, divine or otherwise.

I will get back to you on this.

__________________
KRAMER,
JREF Paranormal Claims Dept.

"

" Here's the answer...

Randi agrees that "divine healing" must be accepted as a paranormal claim.

We have asked our webmaster to remove the words "divine healing" from the note at the end of the Challenge application stating what types of claims JREF would decline to test. He'll get to it at his earliest convenience. Hopefully, that will be soon.

__________________
KRAMER,
JREF Paranormal Claims Dept."

So healing is a possible claim, but i think JREF would not agree to test healing, that's only slightly better than placebo:
KRAMER:
" quote:Originally posted by Rob Lister
How would you test such a claim?



Easily: Applicant demonstrates, investigators observe.

No anecdotal "evidence" is acceptable. Only a demonstration before a team of observers will suffice.

Simple. No endless protocol negotiations, and nothing to waffle over. Just DO IT.

__________________
KRAMER,
JREF Paranormal Claims Dept.

Last edited by KRAMER on 10-13-2004 at 06:44 PM"

This implies, that the healing should be far larger than any possible natural healing, because otherwise large DBPC had to be done, with a lot of statistics, which would make succesful protocol negotiations a paranormal feature upon itself.

But this is just a guess, certainly succesfully eliminating of heavy cancer or aids in a day(=medic diagnosis yielded heavy cancer or aids on day 1 and on day 2 its no aids or cancer) would be something JREF would accept as a claim and would have protocol ideas for this.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

sf108

ShineSun, didn't I say to reply in pinyin? And not in English? We all know your English skills are flawless... *cough cough*.

Now, can you confirm that I am a Chinese? If not, I will show you some poems I wrote in Chinese that relate to QiGong.

And why do you have to "discuss the details with Carn"?

Carn has given me many good suggestions. I am a Chinese, I do not know well English, English culture and the challenge. In fact, all of you have given me great help, for example, the bad information, the challenge does not open to disease healing. How will I deal with it? A small ignoring will result in failure. I will make a draft of the application. Would you like to give any comment?

Carn:

So healing is a possible claim

Thank you very much! You gave me a great help again. I do not know how to thank you! I will read all the rules again and make a draft of the application. Please give comment when I finish it.

Moreover, I want to let Nan to see you. Indeed, he saw me, his description of what I look like is correct basically, but the tallness is not correct. Do you agree with that? Maybe, he can tell us what you look like. If true, is it interesting? A paranormal ability?

 

[Kimpatsu]

Moreover, I want to let Nan to see you. Indeed, he saw me, his description of what I look like is correct basically, but the tallness is not correct. Do you agree with that? Maybe, he can tell us what you look like. If true, is it interesting? A paranormal ability?

I think you have sallow skin, black, straight hair, slanted almond eyes, and a flat nose.
Do I win the million?

 

[Carn]

Carn:

Thank you very much! You gave me a great help again. I do not know how to thank you! I will read all the rules again and make a draft of the application. Please give comment when I finish it.

Moreover, I want to let Nan to see you. Indeed, he saw me, his description of what I look like is correct basically, but the tallness is not correct. Do you agree with that? Maybe, he can tell us what you look like. If true, is it interesting? A paranormal ability?

No problem, but keep in mind that demonstrating healing is difficult, unless its very far above what the body can achieve through natural healing.

About Nan seeing me, he is free to try so, but i see the problem(similar to your determining of diseases), if he just gives a very general description, its impossible to determine whether its hit by chance or by ability. So he should only offer a description if its at least a bit precise, with general ones, i could not say whether its a hit or not.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

I think you have sallow skin, black, straight hair, slanted almond eyes, and a flat nose.

"A flat nose" is wrong, I have a higher nose.

Carn:

Following is my draft application:
First step: I print the following quoted content on the front side of a paper:

Application for Status of Claimant This statement outlines the rules covering the offer made by this Foundation (JREF) concerning psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. Since claims vary greatly in character and scope, specific rules must be formulated for each applicant. All applicants must agree to the rules set forth herein before any formal agreement can be entered into. Completing this form is mandatory; there are no exceptions to this rule. ......IMPORTANT: Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc. JREF will also NOT test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.

Second step: I print the following quotated content on the back side of the paper:

James Randi Educational Foundation 201 S.E. 12th Street Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815 U.S.A. Notarized: I agree all the rules set forth on this paper.

Third step: I sign my signature under the notarized words. Chinese signature or English signature?

Forth step: I bring the paper to a local notary public and do notarization in Chinese or English? Maybe the notary public does not know English.

Fifth step: I mail the paper to James Randi in an envelope and some SSAE (stamped, self-addressed envelope ).

Please give comment about the procedures. Thank you!

At the end, I read the following quoted words:

Please be advised that several applicants have suffered great personal embarrassment after failing these tests. I strongly advise you to conduct proper double-blind tests of any ability you believe you can demonstrate, before attempting to undergo a testing for this prize. This has saved many applicants much time and work, by showing that the powers were quite imaginary on the part of the would-be claimant. Please do this, and do not choose to ignore the need for such a precaution. This advice is offered only so that the applicant might be spared these problems.

I am afraid a little. I think it would be better to do more tests. what is your comment?

About Nan seeing me, he is free to try so, but i see the problem(similar to your determining of diseases),

You are correct. Just as an amusement.

My own homepage is http://hie.nease.net

I am not yet restored completely. But the pain has disappeared.

Shine Sun

 

[Kimpatsu]

"A flat nose" is wrong, I have a higher nose.n

Compared to mine?

 

[Shine Sun]

Kimpatsu

Compared to mine?

I think my nose is lower than your nose. I meant my nose is higher than that of general Chinese.

 

[Kimpatsu]

I think my nose is lower than your nose. I meant my nose is higher than that of general Chinese.

But smaller than that of Caucasians, which was my point.
This is a dumb conversation, anyway.