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Papers Please

Fudbucker said:
I don't know, America has a proud tradition of hating on white immigrants too.
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I think it's more accurate to say that America has a proud tradition of constantly changing the definition of 'white' to suit their prejudices.

The idea of 'whiteness' is an entirely fabricated and subjective social construct.
 
I would point out, again, that most did not enter the country illegally, but overstayed a visa, which is a civil offense, not criminal.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I think it's more accurate to say that America has a proud tradition of constantly changing the definition of 'white' to suit their prejudices.

The idea of 'whiteness' is an entirely fabricated and subjective social construct.
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I don't know about that, but Germans, Poles, Irish, and Italians have all had to deal with bigotry.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Fudbucker said:
I don't know about that, but Germans, Poles, Irish, and Italians have all had to deal with bigotry.
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That's too true. Irish, Italians, Jews, and others segregated themselves into their own neighborhoods because of oppression.
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As Delphic Oracle pointed out the definition of white changes to suit prejudiced needs. Eighteenth century views of whiteness were very different. Take Benjamin Franklin's essay Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc.

All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
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Anglo-Saxons were the only white people then. That's not even getting into the eccentricities of religious bigotry which was coupled with it.
 
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marplots said:
"Tawny" sounds kind of hot.
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The modern equivalent is 'dusky' if I'm not mistaken. It's the 'exotic' allure.

I have a friend who works at a bar (so she is frequently updated on the latest superficial dehumanization lingo). A few weeks ago I was sipping my whiskey when someone getting a drink said "damn honey, what exotic locale are you from?" She fired back without missing a beat, "I'm a native, you colonialist prick, now get off my land."

My nostrils are still burning.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
The modern equivalent is 'dusky' if I'm not mistaken. It's the 'exotic' allure.

I have a friend who works at a bar (so she is frequently updated on the latest superficial dehumanization lingo). A few weeks ago I was sipping my whiskey when someone getting a drink said "damn honey, what exotic locale are you from?" She fired back without missing a beat, "I'm a native, you colonialist prick, now get off my land."

My nostrils are still burning.
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"Bronze" is good too.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I have a friend who works at a bar (so she is frequently updated on the latest superficial dehumanization lingo). A few weeks ago I was sipping my whiskey when someone getting a drink said "damn honey, what exotic locale are you from?" She fired back without missing a beat, "I'm a native, you colonialist prick, now get off my land."
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Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
 
sts60 said:
Yeah, the part about trailing children home from school so they can deport a parent is charming. There's nothing that screams your party's Christian commitment to The Sanctity of the Family like exiling Mom or Dad.

It's like, instead of seriously addressing the issues of illegal immigration, especially that of American children whose parents have been living here without authorization, they put Snidely Whiplash in charge and told him to deport dangerous criminals; or, if that took actual effort, random homemakers and laborers.
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Oh, all those poor, poor illegal border-crossers. A small group of people was temporarily inconvenienced, and ironically, it was the Looney Tune
Left wing snowflakes that made their suffering all the worse by raising such a stink.

No one has a God-given right, or any kind of right, to be here except those that are born of birth or the old-fashioned way...LEGALLY!!! What a radical concept for your average snowflake to boggle his/her brainpan. How about border control, and immigration in general.
 
jakesteele said:
Oh, all those poor, poor illegal border-crossers. A small group of people was temporarily inconvenienced, and ironically, it was the Looney Tune
Left wing snowflakes that made their suffering all the worse by raising such a stink.

No one has a God-given right, or any kind of right, to be here except those that are born of birth or the old-fashioned way...LEGALLY!!! What a radical concept for your average snowflake to boggle his/her brainpan. How about border control, and immigration in general.
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I take it from this you ignored all the actual facts. :rolleyes:
 
jakesteele said:
Oh, all those poor, poor illegal border-crossers. A small group of people was temporarily inconvenienced, and ironically, it was the Looney Tune
Left wing snowflakes that made their suffering all the worse by raising such a stink.

No one has a God-given right, or any kind of right, to be here except those that are born of birth or the old-fashioned way...LEGALLY!!! What a radical concept for your average snowflake to boggle his/her brainpan. How about border control, and immigration in general.
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Sure, like the same we legally showed up and legally planted a flag in the legally claimed ground and then legally wiped out 90%+ of the existing inhabitants.

Yes, our statements of support for people just trying to survive in this world compelled the agencies in question into doing this, they simply had no choice after that!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So the mother of two US citizens who had a felony conviction for using a fake SSN in 2008 and voluntarily went in for her 8th annual check-in with ICE counts as a violent felon I suppose? :rolleyes:

That alarming rate even beats the callousness of xjx388's if they're not like me they don't matter criteria.
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If they aren't illegal, then they shouldn't be deported. If they are illegal, they should be deported. You say callious; I say good immigration policy.

Isn't it callous when we imprison US Citizens who who have kids who use fake SSNs for credit fraud? What's the point of laws if we aren't going to enforce them?
 
xjx388 said:
If they aren't illegal, then they shouldn't be deported. If they are illegal, they should be deported. You say callious; I say good immigration policy.

Isn't it callous when we imprison US Citizens who who have kids who use fake SSNs for credit fraud? What's the point of laws if we aren't going to enforce them?
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She was already caught and there was already a process determined acceptable for her to make restitution for it. Now, despite her compliance with that process, she is to be given a punishment far worse than what the crime you refer to would impose.

Seriously, if most of you 'no mercy/absolute letter of the law' types actually had to live under that kind of system, you probably wouldn't last. It's just that it's easy to make claims like that when you're relatively assured it wouldn't ever actually be turned against you.

Also, once again the language usage in which a person is described as being illegal. Not even hiding behind the 'immigrant' part now, illegal is directly applied as an adjective to the person.
 
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xjx388 said:
If they aren't illegal, then they shouldn't be deported. If they are illegal, they should be deported. You say callious; I say good immigration policy.

Isn't it callous when we imprison US Citizens who who have kids who use fake SSNs for credit fraud? What's the point of laws if we aren't going to enforce them?
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It's callous when a 16 yr old girl is brought here by her parents. And the US lets her live her life here. Then when she's an adult, married with two kids, and she has no avenue open to become a legal citizen or even a legal worker, she tries to work, gets caught, and probably with inadequate legal council pleads guilty to a felony (clearly overkill considering the offense). One of the stipulations is she has to check in once a year to ICE, which she does for 8 years. Until Trump.

And what Delphic Oracle says above.

Yes, IMO, your POV is worse than callous. But I don't expect you to see it that way.
 
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