Papers Please

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm amused, in a morbid sense, at the conservatives' general talk about the importance of hard work. Sometimes, it's a virtue second only to a love of Jesus.

Now here's a woman who took several potentially significant risks just to work, to provide for her family, but that's bad, because she hadn't received a stamp of approval first.

I think it's more that she wasn't in the right class of people, than that she didn't get approval first. Hard to get that approval when you start out here illegally because of decisions your parents made. What options were open to this woman in the first place?

 

[Fudbucker]

I live in San Diego, with 170,000 illegals. And I routinely leave my front door unlocked, AND walk around without any ID.

And just how many people per year have "something happen" that warrants concern about difficulty notifying loved ones? I might as well worry about being sawn up by a whacko with a chain saw.


So far as ICE discriminating, I suspect their field agents run about 80% Hispanic. So not likely prejudiced againts brwon skin. This from experience at crossing the border with nothing but a drivers license, and in-country border check points on highways. I'm worried more about discrimination against me- I'm white, now the #2 minority in California.

Or collapse while jogging.

8 things you should carry on a run
1. Identification. Running with some sort of ID is a must — especially if you have allergies or a medical conditions. In an emergency situation, this is how first responders will identify you and get a hold of your loved ones.
http://blog.walkjogrun.net/2013/06/25/8-items-you-need-for-a-run/

But yeah, totally the same as getting sawn up by a whacko.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Got news for your buddy, in another 15 years, if every illegal was deported and no one else allowed in, Whites will become a minority in the US as a whole.

I'm not sure who told you this, but this is false. White Americans are 200 million people, Hispanics ~50 million, Blacks ~40 million. Unless you're planning on committing a genocide in the next fifteen years, whites will still be the majority.

I am White European, and I am not worried about it in the least because I don't long for the days when White Males has a monopoly on power and influence in the US.
But I think you have revealed your bigotry .

And another false statement...

 

[Fudbucker]

I think it's more that she wasn't in the right class of people, than that she didn't get approval first. Hard to get that approval when you start out here illegally because of decisions your parents made. What options were open to this woman in the first place?

Wait, her parents forced her to get a fake S.S. number?

 

[casebro]

Got news for your buddy, in another 15 years, if every illegal was deported and no one else allowed in, Whites will become a minority in the US as a whole.
I am White European, and I am not worried about it in the least because I don't long for the days when White Males has a monopoly on power and influence in the US.
But I think you have revealed your bigotry .

Bigot? That must be why a Mexican-American friend named his first born son after me?

Judging me by my posts on the net, where I do talk about political realities, is a bit superficial. But I'll use your logic- your are prejudiced against Whites, you bigot you!

 

[casebro]

Or collapse while jogging.

8 things you should carry on a run
1. Identification. Running with some sort of ID is a must — especially if you have allergies or a medical conditions. In an emergency situation, this is how first responders will identify you and get a hold of your loved ones.
http://blog.walkjogrun.net/2013/06/25/8-items-you-need-for-a-run/

But yeah, totally the same as getting sawn up by a whacko.

So gimme a number-more times than death by bee stings? You use your priorities, I'll use mine.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That wasn't my post that you quoted but I certainly agree with the sentiments. Here is exactly what I take issue with:

No. Brown people aren't going to be harassed simply because they are brown and they look like wetbacks. It's just pure, politically motivated fearmongering.

Back to denial..

OK, you've cited criminality and brown, not originally American and brown, 'other' and brown (whatever other is that you are not).

I'm beginning to get the picture your brownness isn't quite as 'brown' as you claim because you have described many brown people that you don't believe are like you.

You traveled to [fill in the blank] and no one harassed you for your brownness.

We can see why your personal anecdotes are limited.

If one is of Hispanic heritage and one gets a job in the restaurant or service industry, if one want day labor and one waits in the Home Depot day labor area, if one is a housekeeper or a gardener, are you excluding them in your average brown person category?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Or a human being with the natural instinct to reproduce

Not to mention said deported mom has been here since she was 16.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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Why? Is walking around without identification a crime? Do these people deserve to be punished for not having papers?

I don't bring ID when I'm walking in the park or hiking, I don't bring a purse or a wallet unless I'm planning on buying something like a coffee.

 

[Fudbucker]

So gimme a number-more times than death by bee stings? You use your priorities, I'll use mine.

Hit by a car, heart attack, stroke, shot, assaulted, etc. Oh, and bee stings and being carved up by a whacko.

 

[Stacko]

Hit by a car, heart attack, stroke, shot, assaulted, etc. Oh, and bee stings and being carved up by a whacko.

How do you get out of bed in the morning living in such fear?

 

[3point14]

I don't bring ID when I'm walking in the park or hiking, I don't bring a purse or a wallet unless I'm planning on buying something like a coffee.

But you simply must do! Everyone fudbucker knows does so, logically, everyone else does!

 

[Fudbucker]

Back to denial..

OK, you've cited criminality and brown, not originally American and brown, 'other' and brown (whatever other is that you are not).

I'm beginning to get the picture your brownness isn't quite as 'brown' as you claim because you have described many brown people that you don't believe are like you.

You traveled to [fill in the blank] and no one harassed you for your brownness.

We can see why your personal anecdotes are limited.

If one is of Hispanic heritage and one gets a job in the restaurant or service industry, if one want day labor and one waits in the Home Depot day labor area, if one is a housekeeper or a gardener, are you excluding them in your average brown person category?

I doubt color of skin is going to matter as much as talking with a foreign accent.

 

[Stacko]

But you simply must do! Everyone fudbucker knows does so, logically, everyone else does!

I dunno. I tend to hang out with friends or family when I go out. That seems to solve that problem.

 

[SusanB-M1]

I have no problem deporting illegal aliens. What I have a problem with is citizens and legal residents being harassed based on the color of their skin.

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Recently, some men, British citizens of Pakistaniorigin were convicted of some horrendous crimes against girls. The decision was announced that they are to be deported. Unfortunately, what will come next is years of appeals and a hundred other problems that will be thought up and I wonder whether it will ever happen that they are deported. Their British citizenship can, or has been, revoked or something.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

... So far as ICE discriminating, I suspect their field agents run about 80% Hispanic. So not likely prejudiced againts brwon skin.

That is not a supportable reason to claim they aren't prejudiced. Even in Mexico there is serious bigotry often depending on how Spanish compared to how Mestizo you look. And more than a few Hispanics have sided against undocumented immigrants.

... I'm worried more about discrimination against me- I'm white, now the #2 minority in California.

That went without saying.

 

[Fudbucker]

I don't bring ID when I'm walking in the park or hiking, I don't bring a purse or a wallet unless I'm planning on buying something like a coffee.

I'm not surprised. You thought Hillary was a good candidate.

 

[Darat]

Which has what to do with this topic, in case you haven't seen the news since November whilst she was the most popular candidate she didn't become POTUS.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I've got no problem with "Okay, fine, your child was born here. Do you want to take him with you on the bus to Mexico, or should we send him to an orphan's home?"

It OUR country. We can set up laws of our own, to govern OUR country. And Trump's job is to enforce those laws. Why do so many of you have a problem with that?

Because the only comparison to that attitude I can think of is how my 2 year-old nephew acts just before nap time.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I am a brown skinned American (Mexican, Anglo, Native American mutt). I am not afraid of ICE agents coming to get me. That's seems a very irrational fear that hasn't been anywhere close to borne out in reality. Let me know when American citizens are arrested solely because they "look Mexican." Of course you won't have to because the stink that will be raised (and I'll be the first one farting) if ICE does start arresting on appearance only will let me know.

Abdon, a commercial truck driver, was arrested in the wake of SB 1070 (Arizona "papers, please" law) before the law was technically even in effect. He was asked to show his birth certificate, which he did not have on his person at the time. He was arrested and held at an ICE detention facility. His wife then had to leave her workplace to go home and retrieve the documents in order to free him.

There was literally not one bit of "probable cause" to hold him and violate his rights other than his skin color and his accent.

There are some local news articles and news broadcasts about it, I think it got a mention in some liberal rags and on Maddow (or Olbermann, can't recall which off hand). No 'stink' raised other than that. Because Americans by and large have an amazing capacity to not give a **** about what happens to 'others' if it isn't a direct inconvenience to themselves.

One of the law's chief proponents/authors was Chris Kobach, who is now also claiming to have had a big part in crafting the EO.