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Otherkin?

Some are exactly that, but a number are just there for fun and have quite normal real lives. Same with many of the Trekkers and Warties and SCAers.

...whatever Warties are. But yes, I agree completely. If people are having a good time doing what they're doing I'd be violating Wheaton's Law to rain on their parade just because it's not my thing. I've talked with roleplaying people and even interacted with them as their characters; it's innocent silliness.

The only problem I've ever noticed in this regard are furries; I can't get past their costumes enough to interact in a way that validates their roleplay. I could during my short-lived foray in Second Life; there seem to have been lots of furries there, and they'd been able to design some quite convincing costumes - some of them were downright adorable. But they can make an anthropomorphic wolf character look like, well, an anthropomorphic wolf. Out here in the real world, furries never look like anything but a man in a big, hot, ungainly and uncomfortable suit and that's just too much of a barrier for me. Although if it's worth anything, I don't feel the same awkward aversion around costumed furries that I feel around sports mascots and amusement park characters - those things positively creep me out.
 
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...whatever Warties are. But yes, I agree completely. If people are having a good time doing what they're doing I'd be violating Wheaton's Law to rain on their parade just because it's not my thing. I've talked with roleplaying people and even interacted with them as their characters; it's innocent silliness.

The only problem I've ever noticed in this regard are furries; I can't get past their costumes enough to interact in a way that validates their roleplay. I could during my short-lived foray in Second Life; there seem to have been lots of furries there, and they'd been able to design some quite convincing costumes - some of them were downright adorable. But they can make an anthropomorphic wolf character look like, well, an anthropomorphic wolf. Out here in the real world, furries never look like anything but a man in a big, hot, ungainly and uncomfortable suit and that's just too much of a barrier for me. Although if it's worth anything, I don't feel the same awkward aversion around costumed furries that I feel around sports mascots and amusement park characters - those things positively creep me out.

my long-in-use-name for Star Wars fans - and alliterative:
Trekkies and
warties and furries, oh, MY!!!!!!!!!!
 
On the other hand, the people doing Vampire LARP never took to my suggestion of Ingrams modified to fire wooden bullets tipped with silver in a cross cut and shotguns with shells filled with silver, oak and ash shot.

Because the books are pretty clear that it has to be a large chunk of wood, same reason caring around a dozen pencils would not be effective even though the vampire could physically, in game jam it into another vampires heart.
 
Not being April 1, I find that there are people like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

So any comments or observations? Anyone heard of Otherkin? Are these people serious, or taking the piss. From Wiki:

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I exchanged a few emails with someone from the Otherkin community back in 2005. I believe her email handle was Quora or something very similar to it, and she held a spiritual view that she could speak and communicate with plants, and that her soul was more closely aligned to plantlife than human. Strange beliefs aside, she was very polite and well-spoken in the 2 or 3 emails we shared.

My impression is that the Otherkin community are a very recent incarnation of animal mysticism from Native American beliefs. They have a spiritual connection to their animal totem, or a belief that animal spirits are guiding them, or that their minds are either fully or partially reincarnated animal souls in human form.

That said, the person who called in trying to connect his experience in the Otherkin community to the experiences of transgenderism is [wait for it] trolling. There's no meaningful connection between the two groups.
 
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They don't think they are these things physically. As they describe it, it's more like they have the souls of these creatures. They are dragons in human bodies in their minds, much as a transsexual is a man in a woman's body.
I don't think there's any similarity between Otherkin and transgender experience. "Man in a woman's body / woman in a man's body" is a terrible description.

Transgender people are fully aware of what their sex assigned at birth is, their chromosomes, and sexual organs. The difference is how a cisgender and transgender experience gender.

People perceive their gender, its something the brain does. Its analogous to the way ordinary, healthy people perceive the position of their limbs, the boundaries of their body, etc; most of the time, you aren't actively aware that you even have these perceptions until something disrupts it (brain injury, psychedelic drugs, optical or sensory illusion).

Gender is very interesting from the biological point of view. Barack Obama only perceives himself as a man because his brain is creating his gender perception. If Barack Obama were born with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS), his body might produce testosterone, but he could never use it; whatever parts of his brain which contribute to his perception of gender would never masculinize, nor would any other part of his body, and hypothetical Barack Obama would look, sound, behave, and perceive his gender as a woman without ever knowing anything was out of the ordinary. At least until his parents worry why their teenage daughter hasn't started her menses, and a trip to OB/GYN reveals the presence of undeveloped male organs, absence of a womb, etc. Really fascinating stuff. Experience and perception of gender is something the brain does, not the chromosomes, and not the sexual organs.

In most circumstances, cisgender people percieve their gender without ever being consciously aware of it -- until something disrupts it. For example, a cisman may become intensely, consciously aware of his gender if he were made to shave his legs, wear heels, and strut his stuff in public. A cisman in that position might feel very uncomfortable in his own skin at the moment.

Transgender people experience their gender just like everyone else, they just don't have a perception which aligns with the experience of cisgender people. The mismatch between a tg person's experienced gender, and the gender others treat them as having, is mentally jarring and a source of wordless feelings of discomfort. The feeling is multiplied by shame and guilt if others in their immediate surroundings mistreat gender-variant people with disgust. Most pre-transitioned people squash these feelings in a mental box as a defense mechanism so they can function in their community.

Post-transitioned people are very much aware that they are transgender, but aren't usually bothered by that knowledge. Most successfully transitioned people don't suffer discomfort after they've integrated into their target gender.

That roughly captures the most common first-person experiences of a transgender person. I don't know whether this is even comparable to the first-person experience of someone who spiritually identifies with Ice Dragons or otherkin.
 
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I don't think there's any similarity between Otherkin and transgender experience. "Man in a woman's body / woman in a man's body" is a terrible description.
Perhaps so, but it's one many transgender people use.

Transgender people are fully aware of what their sex assigned at birth is, their chromosomes, and sexual organs. The difference is how a cisgender and transgender experience gender.

People perceive their gender, its something the brain does.
And otherkin are perfectly well aware that they have human bodies, human chromosomes, human sexual organs. But they don't perceive themselves as human inside their heads.

I don't know whether this is even comparable to the first-person experience of someone who spiritually identifies with Ice Dragons or otherkin.
I'm not sure why, because what you described seems like a pretty close comparison to me.
 
And otherkin are perfectly well aware that they have human bodies, human chromosomes, human sexual organs. But they don't perceive themselves as human inside their heads.
Is this statement correct? I don't think either of us know too many otherkin, and I would not like to put words in their mouths or project experiences onto them which they may not agree with. I would love to see people from this community describe their experiences from their own first-person point of view.
 
Is this statement correct? I don't think either of us know too many otherkin, and I would not like to put words in their mouths or project experiences onto them which they may not agree with. I would love to see people from this community describe their experiences from their own first-person point of view.

"Grrrr. Woof, woof. Grrrr!"
 
My wife was in an Otherkin phase when I met her; she rather strongly identified with fairies, to the point of making fabric wings to wear around the house and sprinkling me with glitter after our first meeting and telling me "Now you're enchanted with me." A few sidelong glances convinced her to tone down the fairy references, and now, twelve years later, she mostly just gets the wings and glitter out on Halloween.
 

The communities of otherkin that I used to frequent weren't too bad, actually. Sometimes (or often) a bit more mystical than posters here generally like, but...

I'm not aware of anyone I know personally who claims to be an otherkin.

I just wonder how people come to the conclusion that their soul is really that of a mythical creature. It's rather confusing, at least to me.

Long ago, I claimed to be one. I still do in some cases, though not too seriously. I don't seriously claim to be one these days, admittedly, given the untestable and unfalsifiable nature of the beliefs that generally qualify one as otherkin. And, honestly, without going too far into it, when I started identifying as one, it did involve trying to understand myself and what I saw just seemed right at the time.

Yep, there's a whole subculture out there that contradictorily seeks to find community in their desire to be different from everyone else.

I'd... disagree, a little. I may be projecting, but generally, it didn't seem to be out of a desire to be different, though there likely were those, but to find similar people. Personally, being gay and raised in a somewhat fundamental Christian manner and actually believing in it with the accompanying mental gymnastics, high end autistic, and likely a few other things left me feeling different from the start, not actually trying or desiring to be different. When I was a part of otherkin communities, specifically dragon ones, I had found an outlet that certainly left me feeling less alienated from others and one that provided a convenient explanation for why I was different when I didn't understand why I was different most of the time. That I've loved dragons for a long, long time didn't hurt.

Is this statement correct? I don't think either of us know too many otherkin, and I would not like to put words in their mouths or project experiences onto them which they may not agree with. I would love to see people from this community describe their experiences from their own first-person point of view.

It's close enough for some. Not general enough to encompass all otherkin, though, I think. There are a number that only claim a connection to some particular creature, for example, not that they actually are or have the soul of the creature themself.
 
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To be fair, "literally" literally never literally meant "literally".

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My wife was in an Otherkin phase when I met her; she rather strongly identified with fairies, to the point of making fabric wings to wear around the house and sprinkling me with glitter after our first meeting and telling me "Now you're enchanted with me." A few sidelong glances convinced her to tone down the fairy references, and now, twelve years later, she mostly just gets the wings and glitter out on Halloween.

The semester I met the woman I ended up marrying I dated a woman who would squee at any Winnie the Poo reference. She didn't make the cut.

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Mrs. Gnomon and I did need to have a conversation early on whether I would use her SCA or her Mundane name . . .
 
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Basically, furries. Watch the CSI episode.

Only do that if you don't want to actually know anything about real furries. Not everything in the episode was wrong, admittedly. Furries do have conventions, and a very small number do dress in costumes referred to as "fursuits"; and a tiny minority have sex while wearing fursuits. Aside from that, it was pretty much as crap as the rest of the show.

Otherkin are a real phenomenon, and range from people identifying with mythological creatures or aliens, to people who actually believe they are mythological creatures or aliens. Some of the more bizarre actually believe themselves to be fictional characters. Most don't tend to be too obvious about it outside conventions or other gatherings; but a few can get obnoxiously about insisting people accept their "otherkin" persona in place of their human one, and react badly to expressions of disbelief. I've met one or two of the more ridiculous sort; but for the most part its hard to find any who take it very seriously.
 
I probably should apologise about the flippant nature of he OP. I thought the whole matter was utter BS. It clearly isn't.
 

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