Origins

[Marduk]

The difference, obviously, is that Marduk is no longer worshipped.

Sorry to have to break it to you that way Marduk!

Harte

Huh, I already posted a link to his facebook worship page

 

[Vortigern99]

Marduk, if all you've meant by "exactly the same" was "from humbler beginnings", then we can agree on that point and move on. The phrasing is unspecific, IMO, and invites clarification; there are certainly many ways in which the development of Marduk toward monotheistic reverence differed, culturally and materially, from that of YHWH.

One that springs to mind is that YHWH's monotheism had become complete prior to the year 1 BCE. Marduk, on the other hand, never reached exclusive monotheism, at least not according to the sources I've consulted.*

*including chemist Magee (who writes on ancient religion as a hobby), as well as Jean Bottero.

 

[Marduk]

Marduk, if all you've meant by "exactly the same" was "from humbler beginnings",

Thats what I've been saying all the way through, you're the only one here that didnt get that. Both of them originated in groups which worshipped polytheistically, the Canaanites for YHWH and the Hurrians for Bel Marduk

 

[Vortigern99]

Marduk, I've already presented my case that your overstatement was/is unwarranted by the evidence. All of the following points are observations I've already listed upthread, and for which I've provided supporting links:

• YHWH's monotheism had become complete prior to the year 1 BCE
  
• Marduk's monotheism was never complete but operated until its demise within a polytheistic system
  
• Mesopotamian polytheism is a matter of unarguable documentary record (QV the Enuma Elish) and universal scholarly agreement
  
• Judaic polytheism is a matter of piecing together textual clues (from the Torah) which are arguable and not yet fully supported by biblical scholars

If you want to rebut any of this, the ball is in your court.

 

[Vortigern99]

Oh, I thought that was clear since both you and I have re-stated it in numerous posts.

"... this [Mesopotamian] syncretization of deities is exactly the same as the creation of YHWH from the syncretization of other deities deeds and actions".

It isn't "exactly the same", as I've shown with just a few simple bullet points. It's not a big deal, I don't really understand why you keep arguing it.

 

[Marduk]

Oh, I thought that was clear since both you and I have re-stated it in numerous posts.

"... this [Mesopotamian] syncretization of deities is exactly the same as the creation of YHWH from the syncretization of other deities deeds and actions".

It isn't "exactly the same", as I've shown with just a few simple bullet points. It's not a big deal, I don't really understand why you keep arguing it.

Your bullet points were written under the delusion that we were discussing monotheism, when in fact we are discussing the origins of monotheism, this is why you thought

[*]YHWH's monotheism had become complete prior to the year 1 BCE

was a valid statement, when in in fact has nothing to do with the subject we are discussing and has no relevance on any the statements I had made previously

we had already settled your other misunderstanding
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=6302752#post6302752

are you particularly stressed right now ?

 

[Marduk]

Ok, Vort, in view of what just happened
any questions

I have one for you
what does the word "syncretize" mean ?

 

[Tricky]

A number of posts that contained bickering were moved to AAH. This is the second warning in this thread for civility. I recommend you take this one to heart.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[Tricky]

Since apparently some folks can't avoid bickering, (which was sent to AAH) I'm closing the thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky