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Operation Pointless

dmaker

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Does changing a name refresh faith in the endeavor for believers? Is this generally a well used concept in woo?

I'm talking specifically about the NAWAC group and their operations in Area X. They have had 3 operational names that I can think of: Endurance, Persistence and now Relentless. And at least one org name change from Texas Bigfoot something or other, to the current North American Wood Ape Conservancy. Is all this name changing necessary, do you think, or is this a common tactic to appear fresh to the followers?
 
Its not really a Woo thing. Since most belief systems use some form of appeal to antiquity they are if anything less likely than average to carry out some form of rebranding.

Within small volentary organisations which is effectively what we are dealing with name changes usualy releate to some change in internal politics or some change in emphasiss in terms of their plans an activities.

By comparison in the comercial sector rebranding from time to time just seems to be the done thing.
 
Operation Blatant ************ might work too.

All talk/no monkey is no way to conduct an "Operation."
 
dmaker said:
Is all this name changing necessary, do you think, or is this a common tactic to appear fresh to the followers?
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Never mind the name change; why have such names in the first place?

Firstly, it's being taken from military and law enforcement protocol. I think that this has a lot to do with what appears to be a strong attraction to Bigfoot for military, law enforcement and their wannabees. It seems that religious/military/police & fire are greatly represented amongst Bigfoot believers. Calling it an "Operation" gives legitimacy on par with any military operation meant to set the world right again.

Secondly, the names they give their operations are meant to bolster morale and reinforce the idea that you should not think that this is all phony.

Endurance
Persistence
Relentless

These are Bigfooters describing themselves. Meant to unite them and DO NOT QUIT BECAUSE YOU THINK NOTHING IS GOING ON. These believers know how to form and nurture a cult. In Bigfootery you have to personally market and groom loyalty and faith - because a non-existent creature isn't going to do it for you.
 
Perhaps they're trying to distance themselves from previous failures in order to attract new followers.

"Oh, we're not those Texas Bigfoot people who endorsed that film footage that was later proved to be a guy in a rubber suit; we're the North American Skunk Ape group---entirely different, you see. Sign up here."
 
Apology said:
Perhaps they're trying to distance themselves from previous failures in order to attract new followers.

"Oh, we're not those Texas Bigfoot people who endorsed that film footage that was later proved to be a guy in a rubber suit; we're the North American Skunk Ape group---entirely different, you see. Sign up here."
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Reminds me of that scene from Monty Python movie, The Life of Brian.



@Resume, so you're not impressed with the fruits of 5 years of investigation? A rock and some crushed nuts? There is no way that could be staged. Only a Bigfoot could have done that! Maybe Operation Endless would be a better name?
 
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dmaker said:
@Resume, so you're not impressed with the fruits of 5 years of investigation? A rock and some crushed nuts? There is no way that could be staged. Only a Bigfoot could have done that! Maybe Operation Endless would be a better name?
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You have to know these folks are chuckling to themselves when they offer this sort of nonsense up. And they have to laugh harder still knowing there'll be enthusiasts who don't just buy into it, but defend it.

"It was found miles from any roads . . . Who would do such a thing?"

The man-made **** I could show you "miles from any road," hell, hundreds of miles from any road: beer cans, fire pits, apricot pits, condoms, both in packages and not, tin teepees, old brass cartridge casings, arrowheads. I once found a baseball on the banks of the Thlewiaza river downstream from where it exits Sealhole lake in its way to Hudson Bay.

Just a hint to any bigfoot enthusiasts reading this: those squiggly blue lines you see on your "wilderness" maps are rivers, which have been used as roads for NAs and Europeans for eons now. Boots and moccasins have been on the ground all over this joint for a long time now whether you acknowledge it or not.
 
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I like to think of the NAWAC as entertainment now because I really enjoy listening to their stories, but have no way of knowing if they're telling the truth or not. Brian Brown's credibility makes it even more interesting and he's one of the masterminds of this whole thing. I consider Area-X to be a real place, but only in my imagination unless they can bring in a "monkey":)
 
OntarioSquatch said:
I like to think of the NAWAC as entertainment now because I really enjoy listening to their stories, but have no way of knowing if they're telling the truth or not. Brian Brown's credibility makes it even more interesting and he's one of the masterminds of this whole thing. I consider Area-X to be a real place, but only in my imagination unless they can bring in a "monkey":)
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Yes you do.
 
Just listened to the podcast concerning this year's adventures in Area X.

Are they lying? Well, their stuff is very weak; if they were just lying they ought to make it more interesting.

Are they being hoaxed. Well, they completely ignore tell-tale signs of hoaxing to the point that their gullibility must come into play as part of any reasonable explanation for what they are experiencing. For instance, they find that the local apes are using hardwood and pine cut firewood to apparently wood knock and create other disturbances. They even have one piece of firewood with one end broken off to form an ideal handle for a human-sized hand. They are constitutionally unable to look at evidence like this and draw any conclusions that do not involve "wood apes." Incredible.

As I suspected, they are gearing all this up as a long term study that may take years and years to conclude. If they can't supply the creature itself, they are going to nonetheless define its behavior and characteristics. More and more field researchers will be taking this tact.

The podcast states one of their aims is to provide just the data for science to look at, while keeping speculation at a minimum. However, their podcast is the virtual opposite of that goal. It's almost all speculation. At one point, for instance, Ms. Strain speculates that the reason the apes are less active this time around may be because their mating cycles are every two years. Really.

And the sightings follow a familiar pattern. With an exception, the field researchers are seeing an Oklahoma ape while their team member is looking somewhere else.

This is a self-contained mess that will stay a mess until they involve folks who are not stark Bigfooters and all that implies.
 
jerrywayne said:
Just listened to the podcast concerning this year's adventures in Area X.

Are they lying? Well, their stuff is very weak; if they were just lying they ought to make it more interesting.

Are they being hoaxed. Well, they completely ignore tell-tale signs of hoaxing to the point that their gullibility must come into play as part of any reasonable explanation for what they are experiencing. For instance, they find that the local apes are using hardwood and pine cut firewood to apparently wood knock and create other disturbances. They even have one piece of firewood with one end broken off to form an ideal handle for a human-sized hand. They are constitutionally unable to look at evidence like this and draw any conclusions that do not involve "wood apes." Incredible.
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While I agree about the laughable nature of what they offer as evidence, one researcher's sighting gave me pause. Describing the animal as a spitting image of Patty but completely gray and eight feet tall, it couldn't have been a naive mis-identification. So it's either a hallucination or a big fat whopper, wouldn't you say?

Unless you think it's a wood ape.
 
Resume said:
Describing the animal as a spitting image of Patty but completely gray and eight feet tall, it couldn't have been a naive mis-identification. So it's either a hallucination or a big fat whopper, wouldn't you say?
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A guy in a costume? It can't be that?
 
The gun thing is part of the phony theater. It's a prop device meant to give the impression of legitimacy and serious intent. Nobody there with a gun is going to shoot a hairy figure. Because the gunmen know.....

The guns also feed the military fetishism which is so very common with Bigfooters.
 
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