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Bazant offers nothing about collapse initiation in any of his papers except his own personal opinions about what initiated collapse. He discusses many arguments concerning collapse progression, but they cannot be used to distinguish between natural collapse and a CD which exploits structurally weaker seams within a building, such as the OOS regions or a line of bolted column to column connections located along the 98th floor.
Everything Bazant says about the cause of collapse initiation is his own personal opinion presented as fact. The only supposed "proof" is in the "meticulous investigation of unprecedented scope and detail, conducted by S. Shyam Sunder’s team at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST 2005).
This "proof" depends on many questionable claims by the NIST. The NIST provides the only known "proof" while Dr Bazant just narrates his opinion.
This "proof" of the cause of inward bowing and the claim that perimeter destabilization caused the collapses will be addressed in an upcoming paper.
So to be very clear concerning collapse initiation: NIST supplies the "proof" while Bazant just narrates his opinion.
Basquearch writes: "Major Tom believes CD occurred in NIST's Phase 1, Initial Collapse. Bazant is the wrong venue. The proper venue for Major Tom's CD claims is the NIST report. Analyze that instead."
Collapse initiation and early deformation are certainly the most important places to look. I agree with you that the Bazant papers are the wrong place to look. So when Bazant writes in BLGB:
"Previous analysis of progressive collapse showed that gravity alone suffices to explain the overall collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers. However, it remains to be checked whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit. The present analysis proves that they do not."
you will agree that this is false. Bazant is not the right venue for studying the central CD questions, though he claims his analysis proves CD didn't happen.
You would agree with me that Bazant cannot expel the accusation of planted explosives by describing collapse dynamics beyond the initial trigger as he claims. It is not the place to look.
We seem to agree with each other that Bazant is not the right venue. BLGB cannot possibly be used to determine "whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit." When he claims to disprove CD in BLGB, he is wrong.
If you look at the CD theories that were proposed at the time those papers were published the Bazant papers are more than adequate to dismiss them, "missing jolts", "every second floor taken out to allow collapse progression", "freefall speed", "no steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fire" etc etc .All of those CD theories required explosives to assist the collapse in some way. Bazant shows that explosives aren't needed once the collapse is started and so those theories can be dismissed.
You, on the other hand, dismiss all truther CD theories as being wrong and instead promote you own brand of CD utilising weak spots and minimal explosives(or something) followed by natural collapse and therefore conclude that your theory is not countered by Bazant.
Congratulations.
Now all you need to do is present your theory and provide evidence in favour of it showing how your CD method can cause the observed column pull in, how the materials can survive the fires, how the planes were guided to those locations(or whether other locations were similarly wired to blow), why there was no residual traces of explosives or detonators found in the clean up and inspection, why there is no evidence of explosive shock waves causing broken windows, barotrauma etc.
You've got a long road ahead of you but at least you've got your first paragraph done about how Bazant doesn't disprove your CD method.
I can't wait for you to finish