On Agnosticism

[Upchurch]

LOL! I get the feeling you regret getting into this debate and now are seeking to turn the tables/find a way out quick because you found that you are not very good at playing the devil's advocate.

ah. Another personal attack. Good, that's productive.

I must admit, I'm much more practiced at argueing the other side of this debate, but you are hardly threatening as a debator. With you excessive use of links, abusive and demeaning languange, and not actually addressing questions, I'd place you somewhere between billiefan2000 on the low end and maybe Interesting Ian on the high end.

anyway, to answer your question, too many to list. That is why I asked for your/a model.

So, how do you back your claim that god is logically inconsistant by definition when you don't know all possible definitions? Is it absolutely impossible that there is a god/definition out there that you haven't considered that isn't logically inconsistant?

Here is where you can find my SHORT refutation of many possible ones:
http://atheistworld.com/view_articles.php?&articleid=4

As I said before, finding an omnipotance inconcistant takes almost no imagination whatsoever. It's the old "Can God create a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it" paradox. It's hardly conclusive that all gods are logically inconsistant.

 

[diddidit]

I think you should have a read of this. It might stop you from making such an idiot of yourself.

And, of course, this.

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[AtheistWorld.Com]

Upchurch, if you go back and re-read your initial replies to me you will find that YOu are the one who initiated personal attacks not me.

How is it that your personal attacks are ok but not my comebacks?

If we as skeptics are allowed to ask "What created God", we are falling into the same trap as believers who ask "What created the Big Bang".

The big bang happenes over and over without end. The universe expands and the collapses back on itself and explodes again etc. etc. there is an actual model for this so don't start ranting again.

 

[Pahansiri]

Upchurch, if you go back and re-read your initial replies to me you will find that YOu are the one who initiated personal attacks not me.

How is it that your personal attacks are ok but not my comebacks?



The big bang happenes over and over without end. The universe expands and the collapses back on itself and explodes again etc. etc. there is an actual model for this so don't start ranting again.

Could you post in his words his personal attacks on you?


By the way this

The big bang happenes over and over without end. The universe expands and the collapses back on itself and explodes again etc. etc. there is an actual model for this so don't start ranting again.

You do well at times, become free from your ego and anger and silliness and we can all have a mature conversation as friends.

 

[AtheistWorld.Com]

It's hardly conclusive that all gods are logically inconsistant.

I never said anything about "all god" merely the ones claimed to be responsible for the universe/world...

I know some gods are real, I have one between my legs...

 

[Martin]

The big bang happenes over and over without end. The universe expands and the collapses back on itself and explodes again etc. etc. there is an actual model for this so don't start ranting again

You overstate the case. While that's a possibility, it's far from proven. You won't find anyone working in the field who would actually state this as fact. At this stage, it's an interesting hypothesis, nothing more.

 

[Upchurch]

Upchurch, if you go back and re-read your initial replies to me you will find that YOu are the one who initiated personal attacks not me.

How is it that your personal attacks are ok but not my comebacks?

Excellent avoidence.

Now what about that claim of yours?

 

[Pahansiri]

I never said anything about "all god" merely the ones claimed to be responsible for the universe/world...

I know some gods are real, I have one between my legs...

Your hand is not a god

 

[diddidit]

You overstate the case. While that's a possibility, it's far from proven. You won't find anyone working in the field who would actually state this as fact. At this stage, it's an interesting hypothesis, nothing more.

I believe it's been fairly well established that the universe will not collapse on itself; in fact, its rate ot expansion is accelerating.

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[Sundog]

The big bang happenes over and over without end. The universe expands and the collapses back on itself and explodes again etc. etc. there is an actual model for this so don't start ranting again.

"Don't try to fool me, young man; it's turtles all the way down."

I don't understand the aggression. I don't consider it logical that someone who supposedly prides themselves on being rational succumbs to his emotions and shows off his inferiority complex in virtually every post. Haven't you ever been in a debate class? Are you unaware of how it's supposed to work?

In any case, I try not to deal with people who can't discuss things calmly, so see ya.

 

[Pahansiri]

All that is compound is subject to decay. An endless cycle of coming together and breaking apart.

 

[AtheistWorld.Com]

Haven't you ever been in a debate class? Are you unaware of how it's supposed to work?

LOL!

I have seen your posts and the posts of many on here. You people are hostile and now you cry when you get treated the way you treat others?

I have been in a debate class and know how it is supposed to work. The trouble is, nobody on here gives a crap about proper debates.

Look in the mirror more often.

You come into a thread and take it off topic from your very FIRST post and yet have the audacity to demand respect! Ha!

I have no respect for the disrespectful period!

The vast majority of people on here are snakes to say the least!

Furthermore, I am an Objectivist and have been around a long time and know full well the types of mentalities "skeptics" have.

I am not a skeptic. I am a realist, and objectivist a hard core atheist and I do not respect bleeding heart liberals, conservatives, communists, anachists and dumb atheists etc.

Max

 

[Sundog]

LOL!

I have seen your posts and the posts of many on here. You people are hostile and now you cry when you get treated the way you treat others?
Max

I think you'd be hard pressed to find many others who have elicited such a negative response among a bunch of pretty thoughtful people so quickly. I leave you to it, I've got more interesting windmills to tilt at.

 

[Martin]

I am not a skeptic

No, really?!

 

[whitefork]

Three words AWC:

Check your premises.

Some of them are faulty.

 

[Pahansiri]

LOL!

I have seen your posts and the posts of many on here. You people are hostile and now you cry when you get treated the way you treat others?

I have been in a debate class and know how it is supposed to work. The trouble is, nobody on here gives a crap about proper debates.

Look in the mirror more often.

You come into a thread and take it off topic from your very FIRST post and yet have the audacity to demand respect! Ha!

I have no respect for the disrespectful period!

The vast majority of people on here are snakes to say the least!

Furthermore, I am an Objectivist and have been around a long time and know full well the types of mentalities "skeptics" have.

I am not a skeptic. I am a realist, and objectivist a hard core atheist and I do not respect bleeding heart liberals, conservatives, communists, anachists and dumb atheists etc.

Max

Translation.

 

[Martin]

Three words AWC:

Check your premises.

Some of them are faulty

That's eight words

 

[Frostbite]

Stop feeding that troll.

 

[Starrman]

The dumb savages refuse self control and birth control but expect food so they can keep on multiplying.

There is a good point in there somewhere, but you try to make it in such an awe-inspiringly asinine way. Your point, what I think it is anyway, is again irrelivent.

My point was not that his specific examples of charity were good or bad, I simply meant that he was not being lazy by not concerning himself with thoughts of god, but puttin his energies elsewhere.

 

[Sundog]

Three words AWC:

Check your premises.

Some of them are faulty.

In fact, abandon the premises immediately.