Anyone going to the greek olympics? I was in greece in 2001. The city as seen from the acropolis looks like an urban planner's nightmare - a rat warren of densely packed apartments. Also there's zilllions of coastal inlets and ports - they can't all be guarded. I read where an american rower in the trials just sort of upped and left for home after thinking about it - not worth dying for. I believe I remember reading that there were IF attacks in the 70s in athens airport - think what they could do now. Tickets aren't selling well. Maybe the IFs will give the greeks a pass since they're so anti-american. I wouldn't want to be there either.
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Patrick said:
I was in Greece in 1999 (I think). Not a bad place. I wish I could remember the town...
It was far to cold to go to the beach. I remember that.
I'd go if I could afford the cost or time I'd go. Besides, I've got a lot of jokes I'd like to share with the Greek nationals. Most involve Turkey so they should go over well.
I`m guessing "Islamofascists", the favoured term de jour for disguising crypto-colonial prejudices.
ROFLMAO!! Telling it like it is about mass-murdering scum who deliberately kill civilian men, women, and children by the thousand is "crypto-colonial prejudices" - some of you people are so full of it it's squirting out your ears!
ROFLMAO!! Telling it like it is about mass-murdering scum who deliberately kill civilian men, women, and children by the thousand is "crypto-colonial prejudices" - some of you people are so full of it it's squirting out your ears!
"Telling it like it is about mass-murdering scum who deliberately kill civilian men, women, and children by the thousand is "crypto-colonial prejudices"..."
Sounds like the coalition to me.
Orwellian language at its best.
Terms like 'Islamofacist' 'liberal' 'fascist' etc are essentially meaningless when used pejoratively. In the case of Islamofacist, the term, IMO, is a shorthand, used to suppress thought. It allows Rightists, Fox News, and the like to refer to a group of people in a way that doesn't connotate anything awkward or inconvenient about what they actually stand for. Instead since Islamofacists are obviously bad, the hearer is spared the need to think. Using language in such a way as to preclude thought or eradicate uncomfortable concrete images is a favourite theme and technique of power and the "no moral equivalence" charlatans.
"Islamofascist" should be put in the box along with "liquidation", "collateral damage", "communist", "reform", "modernization" and "tough". Oh, lets not forget to add "sovereignty" and "hand over of power" to that list of terms currently used and designed to stop people thinking.
Sounds like the coalition to me.
Orwellian language at its best.
Terms like 'Islamofacist' 'liberal' 'fascist' etc are essentially meaningless when used pejoratively. In the case of Islamofacist, the term, IMO, is a shorthand, used to suppress thought. It allows Rightists, Fox News, and the like to refer to a group of people in a way that doesn't connotate anything awkward or inconvenient about what they actually stand for. Instead since Islamofacists are obviously bad, the hearer is spared the need to think. Using language in such a way as to preclude thought or eradicate uncomfortable concrete images is a favourite theme and technique of power and the "no moral equivalence" charlatans.
"Islamofascist" should be put in the box along with "liquidation", "collateral damage", "communist", "reform", "modernization" and "tough". Oh, lets not forget to add "sovereignty" and "hand over of power" to that list of terms currently used and designed to stop people thinking.
HEE HEE HEE! A person who equates the use of a perfectly denotative word for such as Al Qaeda with "crypto-colonial prejudices" dares to complain about "Orwellian language"! Also, who complains about "shorthand, used to suppress thought" and then emits "rightists" and "Fox News"?? YAAA HAAAA HAAAAA!!! --- STOP! YER KILLIN ME!!!!!!!
And just imagine, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" has resulted in Allawi, an "Islamofascist" by your very own definition, becoming head of the puppet government!
See, that`s the kind of untenable position you end up in when you are a common and garden right wing troll...moral indignation and hypocrisy make fine bed fellows don`t they?
Only problem is, most people see through it for what it is...you are aware of that right? How this sort of arrogance by certain Americans and their supporters has ruined the country`s reputation in so many peoples eyes?
At least the majority of Americans I know, including right wingers, some of whom write on these forums, are genuinely concerned about that. You do no side any favours with your portrayal of an ignorant and grotesque American caricature, you might have gleaned that already from some of the posters here.
See, that`s the kind of untenable position you end up in when you are a common and garden right wing troll...moral indignation and hypocrisy make fine bed fellows don`t they?
Only problem is, most people see through it for what it is...you are aware of that right? How this sort of arrogance by certain Americans and their supporters has ruined the country`s reputation in so many peoples eyes?
At least the majority of Americans I know, including right wingers, some of whom write on these forums, are genuinely concerned about that. You do no side any favours with your portrayal of an ignorant and grotesque American caricature, you might have gleaned that already from some of the posters here.
"And just imagine, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" has resulted in Allawi, an "Islamofascist" by your very own definition, becoming head of the puppet government!"
Yaaaa ..... and if Kofi Anan or Chirac or somebody like that were running the show instead of the americans, amidst all the various religious factions, bandits, common opportunistic criminals, and foreign IFs killing each other, there would be something like the British parliament in operation, pleasant high teas among the factions, garden parties, etc. Sure. Democracies in how many countries came into existence without being preceded by turmoil and/or violence? In America? In France? In germany? In south america? In africa? In asia?
"See, that`s the kind of untenable position you end up in when you are a common and garden right wing troll...moral indignation and hypocrisy make fine bed fellows don`t they?"
Yah, but "right wing troll"?? I thought Brits were civil!
"Only problem is, most people see through it for what it is...you are aware of that right?"
Yahh ... there's no shingles on their eyes when it comes to seeing the hypocrisy of a supporter of the machinations of the neocon cabal, hatched by Cheney and his pals in a sub-basement of the pentagon by candlelight!
"How this sort of arrogance by certain Americans and their supporters has ruined the country`s reputation in so many peoples eyes?"
How can I say this delicately? Ah well, I'll just say it: F__K other peoples erroneous perceptions.
"At least the majority of Americans I know, including right wingers, some of whom write on these forums, are genuinely concerned about that. You do no side any favours with your portrayal of an ignorant and grotesque American caricature, you might have gleaned that already from some of the posters here."
You've come across one who doesn't give a sh_t. I've got more important concerns than worrying about other persons' brainwashing-induced misperceptions about Americans. When you live in America, from the time you are born, you hear nothing from foreigners but an endless stream of criticism - when Americans are wrong, they're wrong, and when they're right, they're wrong. What non-Americans should be concerned about is that when they establish a record for always engaging in predictable rote criticism of everything and anything Americans do in the foreign policy/military realm, they lose credibility, they become like a background noise that nobody hears anymore.
Yaaaa ..... and if Kofi Anan or Chirac or somebody like that were running the show instead of the americans, amidst all the various religious factions, bandits, common opportunistic criminals, and foreign IFs killing each other, there would be something like the British parliament in operation, pleasant high teas among the factions, garden parties, etc. Sure. Democracies in how many countries came into existence without being preceded by turmoil and/or violence? In America? In France? In germany? In south america? In africa? In asia?
"See, that`s the kind of untenable position you end up in when you are a common and garden right wing troll...moral indignation and hypocrisy make fine bed fellows don`t they?"
Yah, but "right wing troll"?? I thought Brits were civil!
"Only problem is, most people see through it for what it is...you are aware of that right?"
Yahh ... there's no shingles on their eyes when it comes to seeing the hypocrisy of a supporter of the machinations of the neocon cabal, hatched by Cheney and his pals in a sub-basement of the pentagon by candlelight!
"How this sort of arrogance by certain Americans and their supporters has ruined the country`s reputation in so many peoples eyes?"
How can I say this delicately? Ah well, I'll just say it: F__K other peoples erroneous perceptions.
"At least the majority of Americans I know, including right wingers, some of whom write on these forums, are genuinely concerned about that. You do no side any favours with your portrayal of an ignorant and grotesque American caricature, you might have gleaned that already from some of the posters here."
You've come across one who doesn't give a sh_t. I've got more important concerns than worrying about other persons' brainwashing-induced misperceptions about Americans. When you live in America, from the time you are born, you hear nothing from foreigners but an endless stream of criticism - when Americans are wrong, they're wrong, and when they're right, they're wrong. What non-Americans should be concerned about is that when they establish a record for always engaging in predictable rote criticism of everything and anything Americans do in the foreign policy/military realm, they lose credibility, they become like a background noise that nobody hears anymore.