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This is why I basically put California on a list of States I don't want to actually live in, and Berkley and San Francisco as cities I never want to even visit.
 
"Work for nuclear weapons"...what an odd legal phrasing:

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Modified said:
That wouldn't be my interpretation of "primary intended function", but the term is vague.
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3M has their hands in many things, its very likely that they may hold government contracts somehow relating to nuclear devices. Also, parts are not always contracted specifically for a particular piece government equipment, especially lately with the DoD push to use more Commerical Off-The Shelf (COTS) items to reduce procurement costs. I work for the US DoD and we use many items that are not specifically designed for government equipment. Many items used in our nuclear systems are certified to be a high quality, but are not necessarily designed for nuclear components.
 
BPSCG said:
What I find surprising is that after all the time he's spent living there, ravdin hasn't tried to pull his head off his shoulders with his bare hands.
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It's true that while Berkeley can be a nice place to live (great food, 68 degree weather in January), I can get pretty worked up sometimes about the fools we've entrusted to run our local government. But then I think: this is my town. Am I going to be run off by a bunch of hippies? Is Code Pink really too much for me to handle? Maybe someday I'll have to conclude that yes, there's no place for me in Berkeley and I should leave it for the peaceniks and moochers. But since I'm going to be a curmudgeon just about anywhere, at least for today it might as well be here.
 
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ravdin said:
It's true that while Berkeley can be a nice place to live (great food, 68 degree weather in January), I can get pretty worked up sometimes about the fools we've entrusted to run our local government. But then I think: this is my town.
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Then why don't you run for council office?
 
It's true that while Berkeley can be a nice place to live (great food, 68 degree weather in January), I can get pretty worked up sometimes about the fools we've entrusted to run our local government. But then I think: this is my town.
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Sherman Bay said:
Then why don't you run for council office?
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I suspect there are plenty of other exercises in utter futility that don't require nearly the investment of time, money, and emotional anguish.

Arguing with some of the more extreme nutters on this forum comes most immediately to mind.
 
Modified said:
That wouldn't be my interpretation of "primary intended function", but the term is vague.
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Having read over the definitions from the disclosure I posted earlier about six times in an attempt to truly understand, I think that, given its lack of clarity, just about any activity could be read into it. Not drafted by a lawyer fer shure. ;)
 
I have a theory that one problem Berkely has is that a good percentage of the voters are students who know they are only going to be there for a few years, and don't give a damn about the long term good for the city, and elect ideologues who really care nothing about running the city on a realistic basis, only about peddling their ideology.
 
Really, couldn't you pretty much shut down Berkeley altogether with that stupid rule? I'm sure every computer/computer parts manufacturer has their product used in some way in nuke programs, as well as office furniture manufacturers, office product manufacturers, etc etc. I bet there's Bic pens in use in the DOD for example.
 
KingMerv00 said:
There has to be a rational explanation for this. I can't handle the alternative. What's on this disclosure form?

Edit: Think I found it here.

I guess 3M works with nukes every once in a while and that the statute is overly broad.
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Y'know, this conjures up a rather disturbing image of nuclear weapons held together with Scotch-brand cellophane tape... ;)
 
dudalb said:
I have a theory that one problem Berkely has is that a good percentage of the voters are students who know they are only going to be there for a few years, and don't give a damn about the long term good for the city, and elect ideologues who really care nothing about running the city on a realistic basis, only about peddling their ideology.
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I don't agree. The students are concentrated near campus, and in any case I don't think they take much interest in local politics. I think it's the long term residents who are voting in the radical left wingers. Many of them have high ideals but they don't have to live near grubby places like People's Park.

WildCat said:
Really, couldn't you pretty much shut down Berkeley altogether with that stupid rule? I'm sure every computer/computer parts manufacturer has their product used in some way in nuke programs, as well as office furniture manufacturers, office product manufacturers, etc etc. I bet there's Bic pens in use in the DOD for example.
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Probably so. The ruling against 3M is so arbitrary that it suggests that the city leaders aren't antinuclear as much as they are anticorporate.
 
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WildCat said:
Really, couldn't you pretty much shut down Berkeley altogether with that stupid rule? I'm sure every computer/computer parts manufacturer has their product used in some way in nuke programs, as well as office furniture manufacturers, office product manufacturers, etc etc. I bet there's Bic pens in use in the DOD for example.
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Actually we use Skilcraft pens, quality blind-made products
 
I could imagine people actually moving to Berkley, maybe those "we're moving to Canada" people that couldn't make the transition. I mean here in Missouri I am considered a Marxist (I'm actually a libertarian, go figure) but in Berkley I would be Bill O'Reilly to those people. Not anything against the place, but it seems from what I am able to read that common sense, at least to me, is very much gone from that place.

Nevertheless, I suppose it is good for different cities to represent different ideals. It allows us all to decide where to live.....unless someone offers us a good job there, and then we just have to deal with it I supppose.
 
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