Noah's Flood - finally some science?

[ilikefrogs]

If during the Flood ocean water covered the continents, farming would have been a major problem for some time following (SALT in the soil is what we agricultural types like to call "really bad stuff").

(sarcasm) That much water would have deluted the salt concentration to such a low level that it would not have affected agriculture. And then god used his Wet-Vac to soak up all the salt water before the water evaporated and salt began settling out. (/sarcasm)

 

[The Atheist]

When I was a child, I used to write these long, rambling, scientific-sounding papers full of nonsense. I even invented new terms such as flase. I would type these on my typewriter, tapping away, spewing forth papers as long as 10 pages.

Thank God I never came to the conclusion that the content was anything other than gibberish, or that I should present the papers as theological apologetics.

~~ Paul

But I bet you're sick when you wake up and check your bank balance then compare it to what it might have been if you'd used that gibberish as religious text, opened a church and got those thousands of gullible dicks who came to hear you read the gibberish, tithe 10% of their wages to you!

 

[The Atheist]

I found this post by a guy who constantly talks about flood models, YECs doing science and peer review and he has no idea how out his ass he's talking when he does this....

I was talking to a YEC the other day, quite friendly-like, until he told me how he was conducting "scientific research" into The Flood^TM and I burst out laughing.

He didn't think it was that funny.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

I was talking to a YEC the other day, quite friendly-like, until he told me how he was conducting "scientific research" into The Flood^TM and I burst out laughing.

He didn't think it was that funny.

I was thinking about this last night at work. One of the YECs on CF makes repeated mention of putting gravel or something in a container, mixing it with water, shaking it up and then watching how the settlement of solids exactly replicates what one would expect in Noah's Flood. My questions were, did he include plankton and bacteria for the formation of chalk and varves, a dead clam, fish, lizard and mouse to see if they striatified according to "flood models", pollen which only wound up in pre-Tertiary strata, raindrop and insect burrow fossils in "flood strata", etc. etc. etc.

For some reason a lot of YECs have a hard time understanding that science is sometimes larger than making a papier mache volcano with baking soda and vinegar.

 

[The Atheist]

For some reason a lot of YECs have a hard time understanding that science is sometimes larger than making a papier mache volcano with baking soda and vinegar.

Yeah, funny how easy it is to reach the right conclusion when you start with the conclusion and use only evidence which supports it.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Yeah, funny how easy it is to reach the right conclusion when you start with the conclusion and use only evidence which supports it.

Modus operandi

Interesting article:
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/13465/print

If I'm reading it right, this may give some support to my viewpoint that variations within limits are one thing, and beyond certain limits are quite another thing entirely. I also wondering if Behe's new book, which I hope to get for Father's day will support this as well.

My viewpoint (on which I'm willing to be shown wrong) is that there is a range of variation which is easy to have. One dog breed breeding with another breed and producing a whole new breed. But -- always a new dog, not a new cat.

It seems like post flood, there would have been huge variations show up from the limited # of critters carried on the Ark. But if they are allowed variations within each kind, then its a lot easier to understand and accept.

 

[MortFurd]

Wouldn't it be easier simply to decide that a "day" in the Old Testament is longer than a standard Earth-rotation day? All kinds of problems would disappear.

~~ Paul

And as many more new ones would appear.

That would automatically lengthen the lives of those for whom the bible gives ages.

Wasn't Noah supposedly 800 years old? Make the days longer, and man does he get OLD.

 

[Mashuna]

And as many more new ones would appear.

That would automatically lengthen the lives of those for whom the bible gives ages.

Wasn't Noah supposedly 800 years old? Make the days longer, and man does he get OLD.

Well, if you've already accepted 800 years as gospel, what's a few millenia between friends?

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Note to self. Dig around some of laptoppop's greatest hits because some of his claims about the "science", "research" and "modeling" being done by YEC "scientists" are priceless.

 

[Moufflon]

[archaeological derail]

Also, when were these flood events? As far as I remember, Noah et al. were around in cities. The earliest Mesopotamian cities appear in the southern alluvium is around 3600BC (though that's relying on calibrated radiocarbon dates, which are, I suppose, the devil's work). Unfortunately, even in relative stratigraphic terms there is no evidence at sites like Eridu, Ur, or Uruk/Warka -- the earliest cities in the south -- of catastrophic flood-related abandonments. Doesn't work. The flaming volcanos and whatnot should surely have left some tefra? We find it elsewhere...

[/archaeological derail]