Next Labour Leader

[Darat]

They seem to romanticise losing, which I cannot get on board with. I saw this when I saw Mark Thomas (UK political comedian), and saw it in some of my ideologically inclined friends etc.

That is just human behaviour, doesn't matter if it is the Labour, Tory or leader of my gang, we all do this.

No "side" has a monopoly on this.

 

[Giz]

They seem to romanticise losing, which I cannot get on board with. I saw this when I saw Mark Thomas (UK political comedian), and saw it in some of my ideologically inclined friends etc.

I don’t think it is necessarily romanticizing losing so much as when in adversity, people retreat into their comfort zone.

Labour did it with Corbyn

The torrid had done it with IDS

(Spellcheck! Should be tories not torrid)

 

[jimbob]

What part of " the guy led Labor to one of it's worst defeats ever against a very unpopoular Tory leader" don't these nimrods get?

And is does not really matter, in the end, why COrbyn is so unpopular, fact remains he IS unpopular, and needs to replaced for not other reason then that. Politics is a cold business.
I have no doubt the Tory press smeared Corbyn, but from all I have read the guy made it easy for them to do so with his blunders.

It's like keeping the captian of the ship in control after he has ran the ship into an iceberg....

Yup, and remember Corbyn only looked good in 2017 relative to Theresa Strong-n-stable May, one of the most hapless and least charismatic leaders of any major party. He still managed to get fewer votes than her, but after a couple of years, his perceived performance had fallen further.

 

[jimbob]

Was it Healey who talked about people "who perfer the ideological purity of opposition to the hard decisions of power"?

I've been in a few Labour discussions where all the loudest Corynistas apparently thought that Labour centrists (i.e. anyone not of their stamp) was the first enemy to be removed. Good call guys, alienate the people you have most common ground with.
I think another Corbynista would be a bad idea as they seem totally tone deaf. And the first layoff should have been Seamus.
There's been a spike in Labour party membership as a lot of people for various reasons want a say in selecting the next leader.

Yup - just because Corbyn lost to an incompetent buffoon, it's no reason to go for another one. Johnson's work ethic and attention to detail is likely to land him in hot water and pretending that Brexit is a good idea is something that will age really badly. Far better to be able to say that you opposed and tried to mitigate it rather than end up tainted with the inevitable disaster.


I have often thought that Corbyn likes the luxury of ineffectually attacking something really bad rather than actually trying to fix it.

Yvette Cooper or Kier Starmer sound OK.

Only go with Thornberry if you have a burning desire to guarantee Boris wins the next election.

Yup

 

[dudalb]

Andrew Adonis thinks the cause of so many bad leaders, is the way they are elected:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/activists-choosing-leaders-in-uk-politics-1-6166229

This makes sense, as the likes of Corbyn attract cult status among the members, but not much else.

Maybe its time to redesign the system.

At times, Indirect Democracy works better then Direct Democracy.