New telepathy test, the sequel.

[Michel H]

When do I get my prize?

You already got it:

... So, I think DuvalHMFIC would indeed probably deserve a few points if these tests gave points.
...

You might get a better prize if your answer improves.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

You might get a better prize if your answer improves.

I noticed, from their barking, that they felt somewhat offended and slightly upset by that statement I made. I am used to these telepathic phenomena, they happen all the time, and on a worldwide scale.

It is your turn to answer direct questions.

How do you know all the dogs around the world "heard you" thinking about dogs?

 

[Michel H]

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How do you know all the dogs around the world "heard you" thinking about dogs?

When I said:

... I am used to these telepathic phenomena, they happen all the time, and on a worldwide scale.

I was not writing specifically about dogs, I was writing "in general" (actually, I don't recall any very-long-distance telepathy effect or event in connection with dogs).

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I noticed, from their barking, (ie Dogs) that they felt somewhat offended and slightly upset by that statement I made. I am used to these telepathic phenomena, they happen all the time, and on a worldwide scale.

I was not writing specifically about dogs, I was writing "in general" (actually, I don't recall any very-long-distance telepathy effect or event in connection with dogs).

That's even worse for your claim.

Firstly, if you have never had a successful experiment, on any forum, indicating any human can hears your thoughts around the world, then how do you know humans worldwide can hear your thoughts? If you have such a successful experiment link us to that so we may review your methodology and results.

Secondly, you have created a paradox, in your claim. You are now claiming humans around the world can hear your thoughts but dogs can't? Yet you claim you have telepathy with both dogs and humans. How do you explain that?

 

[Michel H]

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Firstly, if you have never had a successful experiment, on any forum, indicating any human can hears your thoughts around the world, then how do you know humans worldwide can hear your thoughts? If you have such a successful experiment link us to that so we may review your methodology and results.

Secondly, you have created a paradox, in your claim. You are now claiming humans around the world can hear your thoughts but dogs can't? Yet you claim you have telepathy with both dogs and humans. How do you explain that?

The results of my latest test on this forum were not very obvious to analyze, but here are some clear and interesting testimonies.

On Yahoo Answers, I asked, in 2010 (in the Parapsychology category):

Do you sometimes have the odd impression of "knowing what I think"?

Then, member im replied:

Well, I nearly always know what you think ...

( https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100703134559AAR70yj )
This member (im) was exceptional; he had a best answer rate equal to 93% for 999 answers on Yahoo Answers.

In August 2013, I started a new telepathy test on this forum:

Hi, I would like to invite you to participate in a (new) simple telepathy test.
...
At about 22:47 on this Thursday August 22 (Brussels, Belgium time), I wrote carefully one of the four numbers: "1", "2", "3", "4" on my sheet of paper, and I surrounded it with a circle. Then, I wrote it again twice.

I shall repeat this number from time to time during this test.

It was selected using this random number generator: http://www.random.org/integers/ .

I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even with a doubt). You may also answer "I don't know".

So, your answer should be one of the four numbers: "1", "2", "3", "4", or "I don't know".

A comment might be useful, but is not indispensable.

Please note that the number I wrote has no meaning, it was just produced by the generator.

A MD5 hash code for a complicated sentence containing the number I ask you to telepathically guess (like, for example: "the number to guess is 5 f4315d 3b1fcd81") is:
e5ca98da86a6e4c582700847e587c3ac

It was obtained on this website:
http://www.md5hashgenerator.com/ .

I shall reveal the actual sentence I used to produce this MD5 hash at the end of the test, after I have revealed the number I ask you to guess. This way, you'll be able to verify my number.

Thank you for participating.

Note: I do these tests because I believe I have a particular tendency to (telepathically) communicate my thoughts to others, and I am seeking to prove this through online telepathy experiments.

About 30 minutes later, Ashles commented:

Well this is certainly one of the most robustly controlled experiments I have encountered.

About 15 hours later, Tiktaalik replied:

4

I know it. I'm absolutely sure. I feel it inside of me, and if you haven't felt it, you don't know what it's like. If you had felt it, you would know it was 4, so if you think it is not 4, you have obviously not felt it. 4 is the one true number.

Her number was correct.

Much more recently (in September of this year), I launched a new test:

Hi, I invite you to participate in a new, simple, telepathy test, of the kind you may have seen before. I shall also ask you to answer a complementary question, which is difficult, but important for me (and perhaps also important beyond me)

At about 9:00 p.m. on this Friday September 9 (Brussels, Belgium time), I wrote carefully one of the four words: "automobile", "boat", "plane", and "submarine" on my sheet of paper, and I surrounded it with a rough ellipse. Then, I wrote it again twice.

I shall repeat this word from time to time during this test.

I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even with a doubt). You may also answer "I don't know".
...

cullennz answered correctly "plane":

... I'll go for plane ...

After I revealed his answer was correct, cullennz reacted:

Think it's pretty simple.

I'm psychic and chose to read Michael H's mind. ...

(link: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311768 )

Interestingly, even a moderator of this forum (once) replied:

I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.

in one of my first tests, his answer was correct.

As to your question about dogs, I am not saying that humans around the world can hear my thoughts while dogs can't. What I am saying is that, regarding very-long-distance telepathy with dogs, I have no evidence, but that doesn't mean such effects do no exist, it seems more likely to me they do exist.

 

[Hokulele]

How many people who stated they were equally sure of the answer were wrong?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

How many people who stated they were equally sure of the answer were wrong?

And how many who were counted as hits would, when asked, say they were being sarcastic and mocking the idea of telepathy?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... As to your question about dogs, I am not saying that humans around the world can hear my thoughts while dogs can't. What I am saying is that, regarding very-long-distance telepathy with dogs, I have no evidence, but that doesn't mean such effects do no exist, it seems more likely to me they do exist.

Here's a hypothetical question, Michel: Imagine that I was convinced that dogs were aware of what I was thinking. Imagine that I was in the habit of trying to will them to look around to their left or look around to their right and I estimated that maybe 20% of the time, dogs seemed to me to react to what I was trying to tell them to do.

Can you think of an experiment I might try which would allow me to demonstrate to my own satisfaction whether or not that 20% figure was in any way realistic?

 

[Michel H]

How many people who stated they were equally sure of the answer were wrong?

I don't think this has ever happened (seriously) on this forum (though I think this may have happened on another forum). At the end of each test, I review all answers of course, not just some of them, that I may like better.

And how many who were counted as hits would, when asked, say they were being sarcastic and mocking the idea of telepathy?

If I remember correctly, Loss Leader was the only member who, after giving a correct answer, stated that this answer was not to be taken seriously (this is what he said, that does not necessarily mean it is true). However, he started himself two telepathy tests on this forum, thereby showing his interest for the subject.

Here's a hypothetical question, Michel: Imagine that I was convinced that dogs were aware of what I was thinking. Imagine that I was in the habit of trying to will them to look around to their left or look around to their right and I estimated that maybe 20% of the time, dogs seemed to me to react to what I was trying to tell them to do.

Can you think of an experiment I might try which would allow me to demonstrate to my own satisfaction whether or not that 20% figure was in any way realistic?

You can try of course such an experiment, but you are very unlikely to succeed, in my opinion. Even me, who seems to have such unusual telepathic "properties", I don't think I could do that. One thing to keep in mind is that animal can have mental health problems (like us, humans), and that their mental health should in principle be respected. To obtain the best results with animals in ESP, the best way is to treat them with respect, like human beings, in my opinion.

 

[jaydeehess]

Wait a tic,,,, so you are saying one person was very convinced she had the correct number in a 1:4 choice test?

And you are astounded and consider this evidence of telepathy and not that statistics has some relevancy in such a test......

 

[Michel H]

Wait a tic,,,, so you are saying one person was very convinced she had the correct number in a 1:4 choice test?

And you are astounded and consider this evidence of telepathy and not that statistics has some relevancy in such a test......

I think it is certainly remarkable that some people would reply:

4

I know it. I'm absolutely sure. I feel it inside of me, and if you haven't felt it, you don't know what it's like. If you had felt it, you would know it was 4, so if you think it is not 4, you have obviously not felt it. 4 is the one true number.

I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.

in a simple telepathy test on the forum of a famous educational foundation (with a rather skeptical orientation), and that both answers would turn out to be correct.

However, when I did the analysis (link) of the test in which these remarkable statement were made, I did not limit myself to just these two answers, I studied all answers given, and I also did a statistical analysis, with a p-value calculation.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You can try of course such an experiment, but you are very unlikely to succeed, in my opinion. Even me, who seems to have such unusual telepathic "properties", I don't think I could do that. One thing to keep in mind is that animal can have mental health problems (like us, humans), and that their mental health should in principle be respected. To obtain the best results with animals in ESP, the best way is to treat them with respect, like human beings, in my opinion.

Do you mean that you think a 20% success rate is far too ambitious or do you mean it's very unlikely that even someone genuinely telepathic could ever persuade a dog to do anything?

If you mean the former, what sort of experiment might we design to detect a rarely successful ability (while remaining ethical and respectful toward dogs)?

How about this: a dog who is happy, contented, well-adjusted and loves to play is shown a new game by its owner. The game is that the owner throws two balls and the dog brings them back one at a time (because they're a little too large to carry both). The balls need to be distinctive in some way that you and the dog can both perceive (maybe one white and one black, or one has stripes or something like that). All you have to do is flip a coin (unseen by anyone else) while the owner prepares to throw the balls and use that to choose which ball you telepathically ask the dog to bring back first. Let the dog play its game over and over and count the percentage of times it brings back the requested ball first.

It seems to me that could be the basis of a viable scientific measure of someone's telepathic ability with dogs, and neatly gets around the problem of whether human subjects act sincerely. There is, one presumes, no possibility of a worldwide conspiracy among dogs to pretend that telepathy isn't real.

 

[Michel H]

Do you mean that you think a 20% success rate is far too ambitious or do you mean it's very unlikely that even someone genuinely telepathic could ever persuade a dog to do anything?

If you mean the former, what sort of experiment might we design to detect a rarely successful ability (while remaining ethical and respectful toward dogs)?

How about this: a dog who is happy, contented, well-adjusted and loves to play is shown a new game by its owner. The game is that the owner throws two balls and the dog brings them back one at a time (because they're a little too large to carry both). The balls need to be distinctive in some way that you and the dog can both perceive (maybe one white and one black, or one has stripes or something like that). All you have to do is flip a coin (unseen by anyone else) while the owner prepares to throw the balls and use that to choose which ball you telepathically ask the dog to bring back first. Let the dog play its game over and over and count the percentage of times it brings back the requested ball first.

It seems to me that could be the basis of a viable scientific measure of someone's telepathic ability with dogs, and neatly gets around the problem of whether human subjects act sincerely. There is, one presumes, no possibility of a worldwide conspiracy among dogs to pretend that telepathy isn't real.

I think this second method is much better than the first one, but let us not forget that the real bosses on this planet are the human beings, not dogs. So, however imperfect humans may be, we telepaths have to try to deal with them

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Wait a tic,,,, so you are saying one person was very convinced she had the correct number in a 1:4 choice test?

And you are astounded and consider this evidence of telepathy and not that statistics has some relevancy in such a test......

Is this rhetorical?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I think this second method is much better than the first one, but let us not forget that the real bosses on this planet are the human beings, not dogs. So, however imperfect humans may be, we telepaths have to try to deal with them

It appears to me that you're looking for evidence to validate your belief that you are telepathic. The type of experiment I described ought to help confirm or refute that belief. I thought you might be interested in trying something like that to find out if your belief is real or illusory.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Firstly, if you have never had a successful experiment, on any forum, indicating any human can hears your thoughts around the world, then how do you know humans worldwide can hear your thoughts? If you have such a successful experiment link us to that so we may review your methodology and results.

The results of my latest test on this forum were not very obvious to analyze, but here are some clear and interesting testimonies.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100703134559AAR70yj

That link is not one of your experiments and the person you quote directly says they are "cold reading" you, which is a standard theatrical magic trick and not telepathy. Can you link us to any post of yours, on any forum that results in a successful experiment? If you cannot do this, then it is obvious there is no evidence that humans across the world can hear your thoughts as you claim. Can you offer any counter argument to this logic?

Secondly, you have created a paradox, in your claim. You are now claiming humans around the world can hear your thoughts but dogs can't? Yet you claim you have telepathy with both dogs and humans. How do you explain that?

As to your question about dogs, I am not saying that humans around the world can hear my thoughts while dogs can't. What I am saying is that, regarding very-long-distance telepathy with dogs, I have no evidence, but that doesn't mean such effects do no exist, it seems more likely to me they do exist.

So therefore, as you claim
1)Dogs are reading your thoughts, around the world,
2) You can make dogs do things like stop barking,
Put on a telepathic demonstration at 3pm Belgium time on Saturday and make all the dogs in the world stop barking.

You can do that to produce clear evidence for your claims, right?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

And you are astounded and consider this evidence of telepathy and not that statistics has some relevancy in such a test......

I'm going to say this openly. Michel H is specifically avoiding any discussion of statistics or hypothetical physics for his claim.

He claimed to have a doctorate in physics, but at no point has he used any of the skills or knowledge, of statistics, physics, or the scientific method & controls, that a physicist would need to have. I put it to him, he is simply playing the very unscientific "Yes, but...." word game, when responding to other member's questions.

 

[Michel H]

I'm going to say this openly. Michel H is specifically avoiding any discussion of statistics or hypothetical physics for his claim.

He claimed to have a doctorate in physics, but at no point has he used any of the skills or knowledge, of statistics, physics, or the scientific method & controls, that a physicist would need to have. I put it to him, he is simply playing the very unscientific "Yes, but...." word game, when responding to other member's questions.

Here is an example of a statistical calculation that I posted on this forum:

... It may be interesting to introduce a credibility threshold, equal to CR=5, for exemple. Then, GregInAustin's answer (CR=2) is eliminated, and I obtain 3+4 = 7 ("strongly") credible answers for the two tests (on this forum, so far), all of which are numerically correct. The probability for this is equal to p = (1/4)⁷ = 6.10 x 10^-5 (assuming a 25% probability of answering correctly, for each answer). This is of course highly significant, but there are uncertainties related to the fact I assign credibilities while knowing if the answers are correct or not. ...

and here are some comments about the physical aspect:

Yes, I have actually studied the physical aspect.

The power of the brain is approximately 20 Watt (see hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JacquelineLing.shtml). On the other hand, with 5 W (radiated) power, ham radio operators can make voice contact with "the other side of the world" (see ham1, ham2). It is possible to make telegraphic contact with the other side of the world (using for example the Morse code) with only 500 mW (ham2). According to wikipedia, the current record for a "QRP" connection (this means "low power amateur radio connection") is 1 microWatt for 1,650 miles on 10 meter (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QRP_operation#Philosophy).

The human brain has gamma oscillations of frequencies up to 200 Hz, see High-frequency gamma oscillations and human brain mapping with electrocorticography. There are probably other, much higher frequencies of electromagnetic waves, which occur when electromagnetic pulses created by cerebral activity and neuronal action potentials bounce back and forth between the "walls of the brain", in this way you create a simple high frequency oscillator, which then may get modulated by the gamma waves.

It is possible that our neurons are like extra-ordinarily sensitive transistors, which "trigger" when a well defined voltage threshold is reached (this triggers the action potential) and can amplify. And since there are so many of them (about one hundred billion), you presumably end up with an extraordinarily biological device for detecting electromagnetic waves in your skull, which will detect primarily waves of the "right wavelengths" for creating a sustained oscillation, which are waves creating by other brains. It is possible that my own gamma waves have something special in the message they convey (perhaps because I am more altruistic than most), which would explain why they are understood better than the average. It is also possible that my "special" telepathic waves get understood and re-emitted by other brains after a long journey, and thereby amplified.

Not necessarily, think about the example of a fire emitting thermal radiation I already quoted. Is every radio designer in the world scratching their head near a fire (or any source of heat)? No. Is a simple fire (or any source of heat) emitting thermal, and therefore electromagnetic waves in the radio frequency range? Yes.
Physics teaches us that, whenever an ion (for example a sodium Na⁺ ion in the brain) gets accelerated, electromagnetic radiation gets emitted. On the other hand, in the brain, during an action potential, sodium ions rush into the neuron, and they are accelerated because of the voltage difference between the interior and exterior of the cell. So we can safely predict that cerebral activity produces electromagnetic radiation.

You should perhaps have a look at the book "The Radiating Brain", by Ferdinando Cazzamalli: http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/parapsychology/TheRadiatingBrain.pdf , or at this article:
Radiometer measures temperature in premature babies' brains (2000)
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/college.asp?P=2512
(microwave radiation from the brain recently measured, but they don't seem to have extended their measurements to the shortwave frequencies)

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I'm going to say this openly. Michel H is specifically avoiding any discussion of statistics or hypothetical physics for his claim. He claimed to have a doctorate in physics, but at no point has he used any of the skills or knowledge, of statistics, physics, or the scientific method & controls, that a physicist would need to have. I put it to him, he is simply playing the very unscientific "Yes, but...." word game, when responding to other member's questions.

Here is an example of a statistical calculation that I posted on this forum:

"This is of course highly significant, but there are uncertainties related to the fact I assign credibilities while knowing if the answers are correct or not. .."
There you go. Your own provided quote says you can ignore any answer that you personally don't think is credible. You simply ignore any unbiased result and immediately ignore the actual statistical result. You are playing the "Yes, but....."word game.

and here are some comments about the physical aspect:

"It is possible that my own gamma waves have something special in the message they convey (perhaps because I am more altruistic than most), which would explain why they are understood better than the average. It is also possible that my "special" telepathic waves get understood and re-emitted by other brains after a long journey, and thereby amplified."

However, random gamma waves don't convey any information like boat, ship, car or "dog stop barking" and you never offered any hypothesis on how they could. You then totally ignored how everyone else and animals would physically receive your "gamma ray messages" nor why they don't diminish over distance, nor are interfered with, by other natural waves forms. You never fully set out any testable scientific hypothesis on purpose.

"Researchers at MIT say that brain waves are so weak, they are hardly measurable at all. The magnetic field of the earth is just strong enough to move the needle of a compass. Signals from the brain are a billionth of that strength. To capture brain signals, the MEG scanner is kept in a room shielded with mu metal, a special alloy that blocks external magnetic fields. That's how they are able to measure even the slightest magnetic signals from the brain".

Let's be frank. A scientific hypothesis is used to explain a particular phenomena. At no point have you given any evidence that any identifiable specific phenomena is taking place...

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Belgium Greyhound Racing : Simple test.

Michel H. I have good news for you. Greyhound racing is common in Belgium. There is a greyhound course near you.

As you can command dogs to "stop barking" you can simply go down to the track and command the dogs to not leave the starting gates. when the gates open and video this for us.

Once you have done this and presented a video of dogs not leaving the starting gates.......we can go the next step. If you can't do this.......well that ends your entire claim in one swoop.