Near-death experiences!

I still haven't unearthed any medical evidence but I did find some interesting predictions made by Mr. Brinkley.

One warns that two major earthquakes will so disrupt the infrastructure of the United States that it will go bankrupt and collapse. He predicted this disaster would occur before the turn of the century. Hmmm... He must have meant the year 2100.

He also predicted that a major nuclear disaster would occur during the year 1995. It's possible that George W. Bush first uttered "noo-kyoo-lur" in 1995 so this may be the nuclear disaster to which he referred.

He predicted a posteriori the first Gulf War but during the '90s he made no mention of a second Gulf War.

Ride si sapis.

Steven
 
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Foster Zygote said:
Gee, I'm sorry I couldn't find the medical records of this woo in my personal files in the last few minutes. I'll keep searching though. In the brief search I've done in the last few minutes though it seems to me that he only claims to have prophesied an event after the fact like so many other "psychics". But I'm afraid the burden of proof is on Brinkley (or you, his advocate) to prove his incredible claim and not on me or any other skeptic to disprove it. Do you really have no idea whether there is any objective evidence of his claims? If so, why are you convinced? I would like to see him apply for the JREF prize though. He could donate that $million to charity and silence one of the banes of the "psychic" community thus exposing the validity of his claims and striking a crushing blow to the clouding influence of skeptical inquiry.

Steven
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I said he was dead. I didnt say he was a psychic.
 
And it would seem that there is no medical data to be found on the subject of his "death" because it occurred in the absence of medical care. If I read his account correctly only his wife was present during the time he was dead. Unless she is a medical authority her testimony is hardly convincing.

Steven
 
Foster Zygote said:
And it would seem that there is no medical data to be found on the subject of his "death" because it occurred in the absence of medical care. If I read his account correctly only his wife was present during the time he was dead. Unless she is a medical authority her testimony is hardly convincing.

Steven
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"as the medical technicians loaded me onto the stretcher and wheeled me to the ambulance."

No, he was in an abulence, then a hospital, and finally a morgue.

I can see this is a tough subject for you, you got worked up as soon as I mentioned his name. Lets move on.
 
Johnny C. said:
So...have you tried researching if he was actually clinically dead? Im rather curious.
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So we're supposed to research YOUR claims? I don't think so. If you have evidence feel free to bring it up, until then, I won't believe you.
 
Johnny C. said:
"as the medical technicians loaded me onto the stretcher and wheeled me to the ambulance."

No, he was in an abulence, then a hospital, and finally a morgue.

I can see this is a tough subject for you, you got worked up as soon as I mentioned his name. Lets move on.
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Sorry, I only read what must have been his short answer. So when did he die? Was he dead in the hospital and then brought to the morgue where he later woke up? Is there a certainty that his brain was devoid of any life function for 28 minutes? Why would this extraordinary fact not make him one of the most famous people on Earth? And if one of the proofs he offers is his knowledge of the future why is he so bad at predicting it? Is it not more likely that he is delusional, or lying than that he met thirteen supernatural beings in the realm of the afterlife. Thirteen beings who can't predict the future any better than us mere mortal slobs. Doesn't it all sound like a great way to sell books?

No please, let's not move on, unless my curiosity is making you uncomfortable. I'd like to know what makes Brinkley genuine by finding some objective fact that differentiates him from a charlatan.

Steven
 
Johnny C. said:
I can see this is a tough subject for you, you got worked up as soon as I mentioned his name. Lets move on.
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If he has brain activity, he's not dead. This means flatline. Was he flatlined for 28 minutes? Was his heart really stopped for 28 minutes? All there seems to be to support your claims of his death are his own claims that he died. In otherwords, anecdotes. Can this fraudulent psychic person actually produce evidence to support his claims? I doubt it.
 
PetriFB said:
My point was that from the Bible we have information about death....
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It has an opinion about death. Very little information.

by the way stoning was judgement of old covenant. In the New Covenant you can't stone anybody ........
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So God USED to be an arse?

Does the New Covenant have a position on the universe being created in 7 days?
 
KingMerv00 said:
It has an opinion about death. Very little information.



So God USED to be an arse?

Does the New Covenant have a position on the universe being created in 7 days?
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Old and New covenants are different..... Old covenant was written to the stone, not heart... so men didn't have power to control their flesh .... and God set up very strict methods, that His nation will walk after will of God...

But in New Covenant God has put the law in the Holy Spirit to heart of His people ....and by that way they can control themseleves in the Holy Spirit.. and there don't need to be any stoning judgement ...
 
I find it deeply disturbing that someone with the power and wisdow to create the entire universe would ever have been so petty and cruel as to condemn people to stoning. The fact that he has since changed his mind doesn't comfort me much.

Of course, since I don't believe he exists, I'm not troubled by this as much as by the fact that so many people worship such an apparently immature being.
 
PetriFB said:
Old and New covenants are different..... Old covenant was written to the stone, not heart... so men didn't have power to control their flesh .... and God set up very strict methods, that His nation will walk after will of God...

But in New Covenant God has put the law in the Holy Spirit to heart of His people ....and by that way they can control themseleves in the Holy Spirit.. and there don't need to be any stoning judgement ...
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When, exactly, did this change happen?
 
PetriFB said:
Old and New covenants are different..... Old covenant was written to the stone, not heart... so men didn't have power to control their flesh .... and God set up very strict methods, that His nation will walk after will of God...

But in New Covenant God has put the law in the Holy Spirit to heart of His people ....and by that way they can control themseleves in the Holy Spirit.. and there don't need to be any stoning judgement ...
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You didn't answer either of my questions.

Are you suggesting that God didn't have enough foresight to give people self-control at the dawn of time?
 
PetriFB said:
Old and New covenants are different..... Old covenant was written to the stone, not heart... so men didn't have power to control their flesh .... and God set up very strict methods, that His nation will walk after will of God...

But in New Covenant God has put the law in the Holy Spirit to heart of His people ....and by that way they can control themseleves in the Holy Spirit.. and there don't need to be any stoning judgement ...
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So there's certainly no need for a death penalty of any kind now, right?

In fact, there's no need for punishment of any kind, because everyone is so clearly able to control themselves in Ye Olde Holey Spirite.
 
PetriFB
Old and New covenants are different..... Old covenant was written to the stone, not heart... so men didn't have power to control their flesh .... and God set up very strict methods, that His nation will walk after will of God...
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That’s nice, when exactly is this new covenant supposed to start? According to the bible it won’t start until the 2nd coming of Jesus, so technically we’re still under the first covenant.

So stone, stone, stone away...

Ossai
 
thaiboxerken said:
So we're supposed to research YOUR claims? I don't think so. If you have evidence feel free to bring it up, until then, I won't believe you.
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Please dont jump into a conversation between two people. Read whats going on and then you'll see how stupid you sound.

Sorry, I only read what must have been his short answer. So when did he die? Was he dead in the hospital and then brought to the morgue where he later woke up? Is there a certainty that his brain was devoid of any life function for 28 minutes? Why would this extraordinary fact not make him one of the most famous people on Earth? And if one of the proofs he offers is his knowledge of the future why is he so bad at predicting it? Is it not more likely that he is delusional, or lying than that he met thirteen supernatural beings in the realm of the afterlife. Thirteen beings who can't predict the future any better than us mere mortal slobs. Doesn't it all sound like a great way to sell books?

No please, let's not move on, unless my curiosity is making you uncomfortable. I'd like to know what makes Brinkley genuine by finding some objective fact that differentiates him from a charlatan.

Steven
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As someone said earlier, I dont know if they did any measurement of brain activity, but his breathing and heart had stopped. As if that isn't an extraordinary feat.

Medical records are pretty much confidential, and I dont recall his book being timestamped. I havent read it in awhile anyways. Im not willing to waste my time looking up this information when anything presented you wont accept. He didnt have a pulse or breath for nearly a half-hour. Your response, but was he brain dead?

Ride si sapis indeed.

Have a nice day
 
from http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence11.htmlIn the area of the Middle East, anger and hatred will reach a boiling point. Religion will play a large role in these problems, as will the economy. Israel will become isolated from the rest of the world. Saudi Arabia will give money to countries, such as North Korea, and make deals and shake hands.

One look in today's newspaper will tell you this has happened.
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When didn't this happen? :D
 
Foster Zygote said:
...The fact remains that people near death were never actually dead. Someones heart stopping briefly while under medical care is not the same as having his/her brain be well and truly dead.....
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Got your "facts" straight?:

Dr. Michael Sabom is a cardiologist whose latest book, Light and Death, includes a detailed medical and scientific analysis of an amazing near-death experience of a woman named Pam Reynolds. She underwent a rare operation to remove a giant basilar artery aneurysm in her brain that threatened her life. The size and location of the aneurysm, however, precluded its safe removal using the standard neuro-surgical techniques. She was referred to a doctor who had pioneered a daring surgical procedure known as hypothermic cardiac arrest. It allowed Pam's aneurysm to be excised with a reasonable chance of success. This operation, nicknamed "standstill" by the doctors who perform it, required that Pam's body temperature be lowered to 60 degrees, her heartbeat and breathing stopped, her brain waves flattened, and the blood drained from her head. In everyday terms, she was put to death. After removing the aneurysm, she was restored to life. During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate. This case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead.....
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Huntster said:
Got your "facts" straight?:
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Anyone have a copy of the book? As this reviewer claims that is a misreading of the case from the book
Yet, it is important to warn the readers to read the report very carefully. Many people have misread it, and have concluded that Pam Reynolds had a veridical (that is, corroborated by others) out of body experience during a moment when her brain was shut down (with flat EEG and no brainstem activity). Even Stephen Braude, in his book "Immortal Remains" (2003), and van Lommel et al, in their article in The Lancet (2001), put it this way, as if she had had veridical experiences during the so called "standstill" phase of her operation. Actually it did not happen this way. It is clear from the report in the book that her veridical out of body experience happended BEFORE her brain was flat-lined (and before it was without brainstem activity).
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/03...555029/ref=sr_1_1/002-2676940-1304037?ie=UTF8
 
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