Natural Substances that Do Work

[ysabella]

I have a feeling there just might be more than a few cures out there that actually work for the type of cancer you have, which the multi-TRILLION dollar drug companies are working very hard to keep under cover with their marketting propaganda. Keeping the wool over our eyes actually makes us more comfortable believe it or not, it's much easier to accept the 'fact' that there is no cure than to know there are cures, but the information is not available to you because multi-trillion dollar drug companies want more money. (...)
P.S. Close your eyes, try to imagine one thousand BILLION dollars and you just might be a little more convinced that the drug companies aren't out to help you.

So would you guys call this post an argumentum ad lazarum, or some kind of flip-flopped argumentum ad crumenam? Not that it's really an argument at all, since all he's saying is "I have a feeling."

It sounds like a bad feeling. I hear beer helps with those.

 

[Filip Sandor]

So would you guys call this post an argumentum ad lazarum, or some kind of flip-flopped argumentum ad crumenam? Not that it's really an argument at all, since all he's saying is "I have a feeling."

It sounds like a bad feeling. I hear beer helps with those.

ysabella, you can take it how you want it, but the drug companies are basically owned by investors, people who have no physical or emotional contact with the people being 'treated' by the companies' products. Now I'm not saying that every investor's aim is solely to make money, but it is safe to say that the aim of the drug companies is first and foremost profit. If you disagree that's ok with me.

 

[ysabella]

And that means they are somehow forcibly supressing experiments from being done? Prove it.

 

[Filip Sandor]

And that means they are somehow forcibly supressing experiments from being done? Prove it.

There is something you should know about corporate finance if you don't already know it. Small margins of profit can actually make or break the company. What that means basically is that if a company starts to lose a little bit of money somewhere it affects the investors' confidence and in turn creates a 'snowball effect' of profit loss. A little less interest in the stocks multiplied by hundreds of thousands of investors = mega-sized losses in profit for the company. Employees in such organizations have to abide by very strict rules if they wish to work there. You can't just run around and do whatever you feel like doing... you have set tasks to do, determined by the people high up in the chain (the people who's desicions make or break the profits) and that's all there is to it. The supporting evidence to the actual fraud exists and it is abundant, but it needn't even be considered at this point, all you need is a bit of knowledge of the principals of econimics and it's not hard to see how even good people can do bad things.

If you are looking for information regarding cancer fraud the internet is full of it, coming from reputable doctors and people who work or worked in the field/ for the drug companies, etc. There are plenty of non-fuzzy-feely sites to look at with lots and lots of information, here is one site I found that you might find useful.

 

[PatKelley]

Um, Filip, I asked also why the Homeopaths aren't touting these. My baseless supposition: the solutions might work, but ultimately would actually cost money. Turmeric costs anywhere from fifteen to thirty dollars a pound, depending where you get it; hard to make a homeopathic cure from that kind of cost and still make a profit, especially when the spice companies would have you beat to the punch.

So how are homeopaths, whose major expense is tapwater, somehow better than the drug companies in this, especially as the drug companies risk liability whereas homeopaths have none as they make no specific claims that can be, say, risky of litigation should they prove false?

 

[Mojo]

Turmeric costs anywhere from fifteen to thirty dollars a pound, depending where you get it; hard to make a homeopathic cure from that kind of cost and still make a profit, especially when the spice companies would have you beat to the punch.

Not really. Remember, they claim that the more dilute a remedy is, the more powerful. A preparation of higher potency than 12c/24x wouldn't actually have any turmeric in it at all. They wouldn't need very much to start with, and could probably carry on using it almost indefinitely.

 

[Mojo]

There is something you should know about corporate finance if you don't already know it.

There is something you should know about the pharmaceuticals industry if you don't already know it. There is more than one pharmaceuticals company, and they're competing against each other. An effective cancer treatment is going to be highly marketable, and will make the company selling it enormous profits, thus giving it an advantage over its competitors.

 

[Mojo]

What's the mechanism...

Actually, while it's nice to know the mechanism for something, it's not essential to know the mechanism to use something as a treatment. All that's necessary is to demonstrate that it actually works.

 

[PatKelley]

Not really. Remember, they claim that the more dilute a remedy is, the more powerful. A preparation of higher potency than 12c/24x wouldn't actually have any turmeric in it at all. They wouldn't need very much to start with, and could probably carry on using it almost indefinitely.

Precisely, and they would not have to demonstrate any effect as they are a religious and not a medical organization. I mean, faith healing is religion, right?

 

[alfaniner]

I haven't heard any more about that study in South Korea that suggested that kimchi (a fermented cabbage dish) could be a preventative for avian flu.

 

[Rolfe]

It got a namecheck on the radio over the weekend. Apparently sales of sauerkraut are booming.

Rolfe.

 

[Mojo]

I haven't heard any more about that study in South Korea that suggested that kimchi (a fermented cabbage dish) could be a preventative for avian flu.

Wouldn't chicken soup be more appropriate?

 

[Filip Sandor]

Um, Filip, I asked also why the Homeopaths aren't touting these. My baseless supposition: the solutions might work, but ultimately would actually cost money. Turmeric costs anywhere from fifteen to thirty dollars a pound, depending where you get it; hard to make a homeopathic cure from that kind of cost and still make a profit, especially when the spice companies would have you beat to the punch.

So how are homeopaths, whose major expense is tapwater, somehow better than the drug companies in this, especially as the drug companies risk liability whereas homeopaths have none as they make no specific claims that can be, say, risky of litigation should they prove false?

Good points and I agree I wouldn't trust just any company selling homeopathic remedies since 'homeopaths' are just people and people do fraud. The key thing here is information. Whatever you're after, do research, don't just buy into the warm fuzzy pictures on the websites (ie. www.pfizer.com), but do some research first and then decide.

 

[Filip Sandor]

There is something you should know about the pharmaceuticals industry if you don't already know it. There is more than one pharmaceuticals company, and they're competing against each other. An effective cancer treatment is going to be highly marketable, and will make the company selling it enormous profits, thus giving it an advantage over its competitors.

An effectice cancer cure would make a lot of money for the company that produces it until almost everyone is cured of their cancer, after that all of the pharmaceutical companies including the one which designed a cure will lose their share of over $100,000,000,000 (the average anual revenue from cancer 'treatment') annually for as long as they exists. Call it my "opinion" if you like, but I think it makes sense.

 

[rwguinn]

I was going to mention garlic, but appearantly it hasn't been demonstrated to any satisfactory degree.

Blast.

Wikipedia mentions ginger as being effective against motion sickness.

Excuse me--But I find it to be a highly effective Vampire Repellent!. I have been using garlic in cooking for many years, and have not been bothered by Vampires at all since then*
Nor have I seen a single Wolverine since I planted Buckwheat in the back yard*

Roger

*No problems before I did these deeds, but I attribute that to luck.

 

[PatKelley]

An effectice cancer cure would make a lot of money for the company that produces it until almost everyone is cured of their cancer, after that all of the pharmaceutical companies including the one which designed a cure will lose their share of over $100,000,000,000 (the average anual revenue from cancer 'treatment') annually for as long as they exists. Call it my "opinion" if you like, but I think it makes sense.

Well, you would think it makes sense else it would not be your opinion. Let's see... other ailments exist besides cancer, pharmaceutical companies work in prosthetics as well as many other diseases, and I want all of my potential future patients to die why again? I imagine that the smallpox vaccine companies are also occasionally spreading outbreaks... oh, wait...

 

[rwguinn]

An effectice cancer cure would make a lot of money for the company that produces it until almost everyone is cured of their cancer, after that all of the pharmaceutical companies including the one which designed a cure will lose their share of over $100,000,000,000 (the average anual revenue from cancer 'treatment') annually for as long as they exists. Call it my "opinion" if you like, but I think it makes sense.

Any Cure would still be produceable, since the current evidence leads one to the conclusion that environmental exposure is a contributer to cancers.
It is also becoming more apparent that there are many types of Cancers, and a cure for one is not likely to be useful on another.
So the beat goes on and on and on....

Black Helicopters, anyone?

 

[Filip Sandor]

Well, you would think it makes sense else it would not be your opinion. Let's see... other ailments exist besides cancer, pharmaceutical companies work in prosthetics as well as many other diseases, and I want all of my potential future patients to die why again? I imagine that the smallpox vaccine companies are also occasionally spreading outbreaks... oh, wait...

No PK, it doesn't make sense because it's my opinion, it makes sense mathematically. If a cancer patients who recieve chemo-therapy also need to pay for hospital care, due to the toxic effects of the CT treatments, which is very expensive. They also need to take many different drugs to combat the negative effects of CT on their health, which are not free and also cost a lot of money, this goes on for many years in most cases. If the patient was to receive a drug that actually cured them of the cancer they would have no need to buy more drugs, which means the drug companies would make no money off that individual. So mathematically speaking, it is more profitable for the drug companies to provide the patient with ongoing drug treatments for many years than to actually get rid of their cancer.

If you wish, I can fetch some actual statistics on the $$ involved for your information, but I don't think that's necessary.. you seem to have your own opinion. Seriously though, do you really think the CEO's of the pharmaceutical giants are a bunch of warm, fuzzy, people-loving characters who dance around and sing Kumbaia in the office during lunch-break? Get real dude.

 

[ysabella]

So it makes sense mathematically why cures have been invented for all kinds of illnesses, but not for cancer? That does not prove causation.
Well, there's no cure for hypothyroidism either. I'll be taking pills for the rest of my life, although they are cheap pills since the patents expired ages ago. But since I'll be on them for life, surely there is a conspiracy afoot?

Back on topic, how about red wine? It's a protein in grape skins, resveratrol, that seems to be an anti-inflammatory that gives it healthy side effects. So grape juice is good, too.

Another good topic - probiotics, like milk with acidophilus, or yogurt with active cultures. They get credited with way too much by some health quacks, but for example they can help decrease diarrhea when taking antibiotics.

 

[Mojo]

Seriously though, do you really think the CEO's of the pharmaceutical giants are a bunch of warm, fuzzy, people-loving characters who dance around and sing Kumbaia in the office during lunch-break? Get real dude.

No, they're businesspeople who will do whatever they can to maximise their company's profits in the short to medium term. They're interested in what goes in next year's annual statement to the shareholders, not how the industry as a whole is going to be doing after they've retired.