Natural hallucinogens

Interesting topic. Mind you, I have no experience in this.

And definately nothing involving eating mushrooms just before we hit the border, just to get rid of them, and having them kick in at the first truck stop we hit.
 
many people have trouble achieving a 'breakthrough' on salvia.

besides that the most powerful naturally occuring hallucinogen would probably be dmt. this of course is assuming by 'powerful' you mean potentcy by weight - any one of them has potential to be quite intense, be it mushrooms or morning glory seeds.

(jimson weed/datura is not considered a hallucinogen by most of the folks into this sort of thing, as a side note.)
 
along the lines of jimsom, there's always belladonna. just the lethal dose is just above what you need to take to :see god:, so you'd better hope that teaspoon IS calibrated afterall.
 
Piscivore said:
What is the most powerful naturally occuring (i.e. one that does not require a high level of technology to process) hallucinogen we know of? How about any that have a potentially very long shelf life?
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Can costly GEMS, GOLD etc. be thought? :D
 
CaveDave said:
And your babble means what precisely?

Dave
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most powerful, Naturally occuring, hallucinogens(which shake our mind),we know of & that have a potentially very long shelf life.

Do all above what you asked, match with my post, precisely directly or indirectly?:D
 
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Boo said:
I've treated more than a few people for jimson weed induced trips. It's readily available off the side of the road in the southwest US and pretty much any method of ingestion works from smoking to chewingf to making a tea. It has some fairly nasty physical side effects that go along with the trip, and is very easy to overdose on.


Know what you're going into, have a sober guide and be prepared for any physical emergencies. If things go bad it's much better to be honest than try to lie. That's how people die.
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Originally Posted by Dynamic :
Know what you're going into
I don't recall ever meeting anyone who did Jimson weed more than about once. This suggests that anyone that really knew what they'd be getting into wouldn't touch the stuff. Along with about half the things I did when I was a dumbass kid, you couldn't pay me enough to do it again. (Strychnine poisoning can cause hallucinations too; maybe it's a good thing nobody ever told me that).

have a sober guide
Yes. You will need such a person later on to tell you what was really happening while you were petting those big fluffy kitties you saw (and help you find your clothes, and maybe arrange bail).

and be prepared for any physical emergencies.
Physical emergencies like difficulty getting through doorways (due to the fact that they are actually walls). Also be prepared for physical inconveniences, such as the possibility that some of the toilets you used during your adventure weren't really there either.

It has some fairly nasty physical side effects that go along with the trip
Among these, the one you're most likely to notice is the thirst. Not just thirst though, a thirst like nothing you've ever experienced in your life. Water won't touch it, orange juice won't touch it, beer won't touch it.

If things go bad it's much better to be honest than try to lie.
Yes, so when bushes and lampposts start turning into ugly little gnomes, be sure to answer truthfully any questions they happen to ask you.
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BTDT---We called it ^gourd seeds^, the golf-ball-sized soft-spined green pods produced maybe one tablespoon of flat whitish seeds, eat them only if you have three days to lose and a good babysitter to keep you out of serious danger. I *garauntee* you won't be able to save yourself from trouble. :( Three days later, when you come back to reality, you'll wish you'd never heard of the stuff. Take my word, or be a fool.

One other candidate is called "ToadBack":
(1) Make that thumb-over-fist gesture that Bill Clinton favored
(2) Lift the thumb
(3) Place a large (baseball sized) toad's chin on the curled index finger
(4) Clamp the thumb on the top of the toad's snout
(5) Proceed to thump, slap, shake, and otherwise irritate, annoy, or abuse the toad
(6) When you see the little droplets of liquid appear on the skin behind the head, extract them (wipe off on cigarette paper to be smoked, lick them off and swallow, or snort them up your nose through a skinny straw
(7) Find a safe place to stay for awhile and let the trip proceed :eye-poppi :jaw-dropp

Dave

PS--- I gave this stuff up years ago 'cuz I'd already had too much FUN for any one human being to enjoy.:eek: :boxedin:
 
Piscivore said:
What is the most powerful naturally occuring (i.e. one that does not require a high level of technology to process) hallucinogen we know of? How about any that have a potentially very long shelf life?
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In terms of efficacy (rather than potency which is only about the dose size), specificity (i.e. mostly psychedelic), duration of effects, intensity of mental imagery stimulation, and shelf life, the best candidates are mescaline-containing cacti, and more specifically of the Trichocereus genus (popular names: San Pedro, Peruvian torch).

Contrary to mushrooms containing 4-substituted N-dimethylated tryptamines, that decay rapidly or loose potency, the dried cacti retain full potency during extended periods of time. Péyotl (Lophophora williamsii) buttons aged 5,700 years were shown to contain still 2% mescaline (eating 25 g of these buttons would suffice for a full blown visionary experience) (PubMed abstract; another, related ref).

I would nonetheless not choose péyotl because when fresh it contains tens of different alkaloids, some having weird or soporific effects. By contrast, the Peruvian cacti, even if having mescaline concentrations slightly lower than péyotl, are almost devoid of other alkaloids in the part containing mescaline.
 
Melendwyr said:
Behold ye and despair! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg
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Hmmm, that explains my experience with nutmeg, some years ago as an undergrad.

Made sure I had a free day, took the requisite amount mixed into a foul, awful drink. Trying not to vomit, I sat with a big grin on my face, waiting for 'something' to happen. My grin slowly faded over the course of the day, until I finally admitted to myself that the peculiar feeling I had was simply that I'd imbibed a revolting beverage that was slightly upsetting my stomach.

Went to bed after a boring day, slightly disappointed.

Woke up the next day to find I'd slept in longer than normal. After very slowly getting up and ready, I realised I was feeling very strange. I drifted round my student halls, watching people talk but not really being - able is the wrong word - bothered to work out what they were saying.

There was a pane of glass a foot thick between me and the rest of the world. No hallucinations, no revelations, no pixies, ghosts, deities or aliens. No Nirvana, heaven, hell or nagual.

Just a vaguely unpleasant dissociative feeling that lingered for the whole day. Heavy eyelids, a puzzled expression, and an annoying feeling that I wasn't in a separate reality, I just wasn't allowed into the normal one for a while.

I didn't really like being inside, but I liked being outside slightly less, so I watched the day grow dark over the course of several hours from my window, with a fidgety feeling of meaninglessness in the place of the lysergic sense of significance I'd hoped for.

I went to bed early, irritated in the knowledge that I'd wasted a whole day. If I'd known the most that would come out of that day would be that I'd write it down on an internet bulletin board 8 years hence, and that no-one would read to the end of it anyway, I'd have been entirely unsurprised.

If you want to emulate the experience of nutmeg psychedelia, clear a day to alphabetise your cd collection, and sit in your underwear watching daytime tv, not alphabetising your cd collection. That should just about capture it.

Hmmm, I seem to be having a nutmeg flashback, apologies for the tone this post has taken.

Kids: don't do nutmeg
 
Nucular said:
If you want to emulate the experience of nutmeg psychedelia, clear a day to alphabetise your cd collection, and sit in your underwear watching daytime tv, not alphabetising your cd collection. That should just about capture it.
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I get the same thing trying to write sometimes. Hmmm, maybe my wife is slipping me nutmeg...
 
rustypouch said:
And definately nothing involving eating mushrooms just before we hit the border, just to get rid of them, and having them kick in at the first truck stop we hit.
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Oh, here's a hint - if you're not going to eat mushrooms, a good place not to go on a mushroom trip is during the summer when you're not breaking into the pool at Riley Park at two in the morning.
 
Pisco, for your literary needs I would suggest Salvia Divin.
It has many features that might fit well - novelty, potency, etc.
As for shelf life, I doubt that the leaf would last long,
but the extract Salvorin A (sounds like a Prep H suppository to me) should store quite OK.
 
So, do these things damage your brain in order bring about the experiences? What are the health risks to taking some of these things?

And yes, I'm too lazy to look it up myself.
 
Piscivore said:
This info is for my latest NANOWRIMO effort. Small doses good, long lasting experience good. Extremely long shelf life or indefinitely renewable vital.
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So, you're writing about people who get stonned in the far future, after giant mushroom men, which mutated from the benign fungi after being irradiated by a nuclear war, took over the Earth?
 
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