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Natural hallucinogens

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What is the most powerful naturally occuring (i.e. one that does not require a high level of technology to process) hallucinogen we know of? How about any that have a potentially very long shelf life?
 
Technically, there are LSD-like compounds that are produced by ergot molds, so I suppose they would be "natural".

Nutmeg is quite a powerful hallucinogen, if you define "power" as referring to the potency of the experience and not how small an active dose is.
 
How much nutmeg do you need to hallucinate?!?

This explains some things about my grandmother's cooking... :)

This info is for my latest NANOWRIMO effort. Small doses good, long lasting experience good. Extremely long shelf life or indefinitely renewable vital.
 
Melendwyr said:
Technically, there are LSD-like compounds that are produced by ergot molds, so I suppose they would be "natural".
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Yep- even survives cooking!

Baked into the bread of peasants in France, it gave us St. Vitus' Dance!

Ergotism has nasty side-effects, however, including rotting in face and hands.
Nutmeg is quite a powerful hallucinogen, if you define "power" as referring to the potency of the experience and not how small an active dose is.
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There are a few mushroom varieties which can be dried and saved, but experimenting with mushrooms is very risky business.
 
Nutmeg? Bah humbug. Give me good old-fashioned psilocybin mushrooms or peyote cactus any day!
 
Just to quote from emphasize Melendwyr's link:
In low doses, nutmeg produces no noticeable effect on the mind or body. Large doses of 7.5 g or more are dangerous, potentially producing convulsions, palpitations, nausea, eventual dehydration, and generalized body pain. In amounts of 10 g or more it is a mild to medium hallucinogen, producing visual distortions and a mild euphoria similar to that derived from Marijuana. However, use of nutmeg as a recreational drug is unpopular, due to the potential painful physical side effects, the risk of Nutmeg Psychosis (see below) and the inconventiently long span for which the effects of a single dose can persist. A user will not expereince a peak until approximately twelve hours after ingestion, and effects can linger for up to an additional twenty-four hours afterwards. Any unpleasant side-effects would persist throughout this thirty-six hour period.

A risk of any large-quantity ingestion of Nutmeg is the sudden onset of Nutmeg Psychosis, an acute psychiatric disorder marked by hallucinations, excitement, thought disorder, a sense of impending death and agitation. Some cases have resulted in hospitalization and reportedly few who have experienced the effects of nutmeg poisoning recommend it or repeat the experience.

Even in smaller doses, Nutmeg can be a toxic substance.
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Does not sound pleasant.

Of course, I did not like my one hallucinatory experience which came from nyquil. I took the recommended dose but apparently I am very sensitive. Perhaps if I had been healthy and knew hallucinations were possible, I would have a different attitude.

CBL
 
CBL4 said:
Just to quote from emphasize Melendwyr's link:
Does not sound pleasant.

Of course, I did not like my one hallucinatory experience which came from nyquil. I took the recommended dose but apparently I am very sensitive. Perhaps if I had been healthy and knew hallucinations were possible, I would have a different attitude.

CBL
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I took a whole Percocet one time, when I was suffering a kidney stone, and got stuck in front of a Sid and Marty Kroft marathon. I don't know that I actually hallucinated, but it was a pretty messed up trip.

Can a viral infection cause hallucinations, and can a virus remain dormant but still infectious for a few centuries?
 
Salvia divinorum's active component, Salvinorin A is the most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen. It has a long history of traditional use by a Mexican indigenous people, the Matatecs. The traditional method of consumption is very inefficient, they ingest large ammounts of the leaves. It's far more potent when smoked using a high temperature flame.

Salvinorin A is responsible for Salvia's mind-altering effects. It is not chemically related to any other psychoactive drug. Unlike most visionary compounds, it is not an alkaloid. Pure salvinorin A is extremely potent. Doses of only several hundred micrograms (millionths of a gram) will have an effect, and doses above 1 milligram (1/1000 of a gram) are too much for most people to handle comfortably. Because of its extreme potency, pure salvinorin A should never be used unless the dosage has been precisely measured with an extremely accurate chemist's scale.
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From w w w . sagewisdom . org/ usersguide.html (Not allowed to do links yet - hence formatting)

It's perfectly legal too, except in Australia and Denmark. I have a windowsill full.

Oh, and first post. Hope I don't give the wrong impression :)
 
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Many of the more potent natural hallucinogens available are from the psilocybe family of mushrooms; particularly the hard to find Psilocybe cyanescens, which is native to the Pacific Northwest, and is considerably more potent than the more commonly found P. cubensis or Paneolus spp. (aka. liberty caps).

Psilocybe spp are also considerably safer than the Amanita mushrooms, which may or may not be more potently hallucinogenic, depending on who you talk to.

There's a lot of good info on just about every recreational drug available at http://www.erowid.org/

You have to read carefully, however; since a lot of the information is highly subjective (but clearly marked as such).
 
I second/third/whatever the vote for mushrooms.

ETA:

PS - grind them up quite fine, and keep them in chocolate 'pucks' in the freezer. They last longer, and you skip the nasty taste. :)
 
Piscivore said:
What is the most powerful naturally occuring (i.e. one that does not require a high level of technology to process) hallucinogen we know of?
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That's easy! The mushrooms my buddy ate at the 1993 Chicago Grateful Dead show.

Ran out of the stadium in the first set, convinced he was underwater and that people were chasing him. :yikes:
 
Interesting question, I dont know if forum members get scared with talking about hallucinogens, but, do you want to try something? Mushrooms are different from zone to zone, so you will have to make your own research about whats available where you live. (if this is what you want, of course).
 
RyanRoberts said:
Salvia divinorum's active component, Salvinorin A is the most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen. It has a long history of traditional use by a Mexican indigenous people, the Matatecs. The traditional method of consumption is very inefficient, they ingest large ammounts of the leaves. It's far more potent when smoked using a high temperature flame.



From w w w . sagewisdom . org/ usersguide.html (Not allowed to do links yet - hence formatting)

It's perfectly legal too, except in Australia and Denmark. I have a windowsill full.

Oh, and first post. Hope I don't give the wrong impression :)
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I was gonna say Salvia too. http://www.sagewisdom.org/

It's legal, too. It's supposed to be a short (45 minutes) but intense trip.
 
I've treated more than a few people for jimson weed induced trips. It's readily available off the side of the road in the southwest US and pretty much any method of ingestion works from smoking to chewingf to making a tea. It has some fairly nasty physical side effects that go along with the trip, and is very easy to overdose on.


Know what you're going into, have a sober guide and be prepared for any physical emergencies. If things go bad it's much better to be honest than try to lie. That's how people die.



Boo
 
Boo said:
Know what you're going into
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I don't recall ever meeting anyone who did Jimson weed more than about once. This suggests that anyone that really knew what they'd be getting into wouldn't touch the stuff. Along with about half the things I did when I was a dumbass kid, you couldn't pay me enough to do it again. (Strychnine poisoning can cause hallucinations too; maybe it's a good thing nobody ever told me that).

have a sober guide
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Yes. You will need such a person later on to tell you what was really happening while you were petting those big fluffy kitties you saw (and help you find your clothes, and maybe arrange bail).

and be prepared for any physical emergencies.
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Physical emergencies like difficulty getting through doorways (due to the fact that they are actually walls). Also be prepared for physical inconveniences, such as the possibility that some of the toilets you used during your adventure weren't really there either.

It has some fairly nasty physical side effects that go along with the trip
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Among these, the one you're most likely to notice is the thirst. Not just thirst though, a thirst like nothing you've ever experienced in your life. Water won't touch it, orange juice won't touch it, beer won't touch it.

If things go bad it's much better to be honest than try to lie.
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Yes, so when bushes and lampposts start turning into ugly little gnomes, be sure to answer truthfully any questions they happen to ask you.
 
Here's the best way to get a very, very intense but very, very short-lived natural high which will take you to dimensions you never dreamed of. First, eat a whole bag of Oreos, not the double-stuff kind, the regular kind. Then, eat a whole box of Cheerios, milk optional. Then, wait 1 full day, 24 hours. By this time the urge to relieve yourself should be overwhelming, and I don't mean urination. Sit on a toilet and tense up all your muscles. It should come out very hard, what I call the Oreo Plug, then come out very easy, the Cheerio Deluge. Throw your head back and breath out as hard as you can. It all takes very precise timing. The resulting sudden emptying of your bowels, the drop in blood pressure, and other combined effects will launch all kinds of stuff at your brain, all at one time if you timed it all right. You will then burst into several dimensions and see colors and shapes that don't exist in this world. You will float for an eternity and see all of creation from a god's point of view but all in just a few seconds.

You will probably wake up on the floor, with your pants around your ankles and a bit of a mess to clean up, but don't all highs end like that? I have a nice big scar over my right eye after waking up with a towel rack impaled in my forehead that got ripped off the wall somehow after actually witnessing two galaxies colliding.
 
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