My son peter

[TheBoyPaj]

Please translate for a non first language guy... Sounds like a cereal commercial to me

It's a quote from Ghostbusters. It's what Peter Venkman (Bill Murray) says when they successfully capture their first ghosts (in a hotel dining room).

Yep. Ghostbusters is the reason I'm interested in the paranormal.

 

[Timothy]

So Peter appears they play hide and seek,yet the only place she manages to film him is in the hall? Whats she messing about at? Get a remote camera in the bedroom and a Ghostbusters style trap(what were those things called)Peter turns up for hide and seek and whammo! He's in the trap and on film. Result

Agreed. If you can photograph this ghost once, and you're *sooooo* interested in finding out more about him, wouldn't you go out and buy a dozen of those little remote webcams and put them covering the entire house and then record for days at a time?

The failing internal logic of these fairy stories is always so pitiful.

- Timothy

 

[wahrheit]

It's a quote from Ghostbusters. It's what Peter Venkman (Bill Murray) says when they successfully capture their first ghosts (in a hotel dining room).

Yep. Ghostbusters is the reason I'm interested in the paranormal.

I loved that movie back then, and played the C64 game. The movie was dubbed, as usual, for German movie theaters, that's why the quote didn't ring a bell. Now I hope I get the soundtrack and Ray Parker Jr. out of my head before going to bed...

 

[Jono]

You know all this about ghosts how?

I do not know anything about ghosts per se, though in theory and of course within spiritualistic philosophy there is a distinct difference between what constitutes as being a ghost and a spirit person.

 

[Timothy]

I do not know anything about ghosts per se, though in theory and of course within spiritualistic philosophy there is a distinct difference between what constitutes as being a ghost and a spirit person.

So when you said ...

"Because in the theoretical sense a ghost isn't a conscious entity but a reflection, like a moving "fingerprint" repeating itself in the space where a lasting impression was made.
Thus a two-way communication with a ghost isn't possible, without a huge dose of wayward terminology acid expanding the borders of the actual concept of ghost."

... what were you doing? Just making stuff up?

Or were you just repeating what experienced spirituaists have told you? And if so, how do *they* know it?

I can make up strings of nonsense pseudoscientific words and claim them to be true as long as no one can do a repeatable experiment to refute it, and it will be just as valid.

Making stuff up does not equal science. It doesn't even equal thinking.

- Timothy

 

[Jono]

what were you doing? Just making stuff up?

I was of course not making it up.

Or were you just repeating what experienced spirituaists have told you? And if so, how do *they* know it?

If I did not make it up then the information again of course has to have been presented in some form from somewhere else in order for me to read it. I only know of how *they* claimed to know it. Other than that I do not know.

Making stuff up does not equal science. It doesn't even equal thinking.

Hmm, making up stuff does not equal science or even equal thinking. An innovative mind is thinking, not necessarily scientific.
I did not say anything about ghosts being real or science.
Simply presented a curiosa of what constitutes as a ghost by common philosophical standards of spiritualism and of the paranormal.

As an example, if people were to speak about mountain giants and then started to debate why they were so only two feet tall, I would likely point out that in swedish mythology mountain giants actually were giants.

Not that I necessarily believe in mountain giants nor think that what I have learned about them is of scientific interest.
Do you understand Timothy?

 

[Explorer]

The clue is in the accompanying statement with the video.

"The only thing I have been able to record so far...."

This seems like an all too deliberate understatement for what appears to me, at least, a spectacular "ghost" video.

The actual tragic event described was awful. Is it true? Until it is cross-checked there seems little point in speculating further on the motive of this author and his website.

 

[Kiless]

If I had a hoax site, I'd make it a bit zippier than this one. The vid is pretty cool, although media students could do that quite easily. I think there should be a disclaimer somewhere. Didn't like the part where he tells how the death occured, that was just sad. Even though it's fake, it made me sad.

 

[Odin]

On March 15, 1992 my wife Janice was blow drying her hair Janice accidentally dropped her hair dryer into the bathtub

I'm not sure, but I thought this was the reason that bathrooms didn't have power sockets in them.

 

[-42-]

I'm not sure, but I thought this was the reason that bathrooms didn't have power sockets in them.

Hmm? Every bathroom I've been in has had power sockets in them.

Usually they're near the door and not near the bathtub, but depends on how big your bathroom is as to if it would reach.

(USA)

PS: I would think if the same thing happend to me (ick) I would first yank the cord immediately then grab them. I mean, I understand the panic state, but it's not like electricity isn't well known. Going into certain death or certain harm when there is a direct alternative..... well.....

It would be like someone being trapped in a huge fire, a fire you know to be deadly and there is a fire estinguisher right next to you. Even in a panic state, I think you'd grab the estinguisher, right next to you, and then go in. The effect of fire being deadly is pretty well known, even if someone you love is thrust into a life threatening situation.

Not only that, but hair dryers in particular are built to protect people from electrocution. In the 1980s there were around 18 deaths per year from them. In 1990, an industry standard was developed to give protection from electrocution when the hairdryer is in the on or off position.
http://www.cpsc.gov/

Kind of a moot point since this particular story has already been shown to most likely be a hoax. ;p In record time ;p

 

[Chocolate Chip]

I checked on the link that Timothy provided:

http://mysonpeter.com/images/0/0polop.jpg

and then went one level back:

http://mysonpeter.com/images/0/

I found the collection of pics, plus this .mov file

http://mysonpeter.com/images/0/p3.mov

compared to the one that is on the actual website:

http://www.mysonpeter.com/code/09dp.html

The first clip is a much clearer clip, and shows clearly the person casting a shadow on the wall.
If the story is made up, it's still a pretty despicable thing to do. The death of a child is one of the saddest things to experience. This just goes to show the depths some people will sink to in order to fool others.
If the child really did die. Even worse. The death of a child is being exploited in order to perpetrate a hoax.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

If it's made up, then the guy will just excuse himself by imagining that he's just creating a compelling fiction, like M Night Shyamalan.

I doubt it's real. Surely no one would be that much of a tool.

 

[Odin]

Hmm? Every bathroom I've been in has had power sockets in them.

Usually they're near the door and not near the bathtub, but depends on how big your bathroom is as to if it would reach.

(USA)

Found this. I should have checked before I posted.

 

[wahrheit]

... I found the collection of pics, plus this .mov file

http://mysonpeter.com/images/0/p3.mov
...
The first clip is a much clearer clip, and shows clearly the person casting a shadow on the wall. ...

Wow, that's interesting!

Did you notice that this .mov lacks the blurry gaussian thing I mentioned above? The "smoke" that goes from the kid to the left of the screen?

I guess they had this one online, and then decided to add some more "creepy" stuff.

Sick.

 

[Chocolate Chip]

Did you notice that this .mov lacks the blurry gaussian thing I mentioned above? The "smoke" that goes from the kid to the left of the screen?

Yup, it's obvious the footage has gone through manipulations and editing. As you pointed out the blur effect, as well, it seems the final footage has been darkened to try and hide the shadow that's cast in the "original".

Sick.

Yup. As Theboypaj mentioned earlier, he might claim this to be a "compelling fiction" like M Night Shyamalan. Except that nowhere on the guy's website does he claim this is fiction. In fact, the only thing that might be genuine is the letters of sympathy this guy received from other people:

http://www.mysonpeter.com/code/16response.html

BTW, the believer I mentioned has agreed that it is most likely a fake. Well there's some progress.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

Also, you can see a difference in the background where the editor has faded between the stream with the boy in and the stream of the empty corridor. The walls shimmy left and right slightly as the boy appears and disappears. Someone moved the camera between takes!

 

[wahrheit]

Also, you can see a difference in the background where the editor has faded between the stream with the boy in and the stream of the empty corridor. The walls shimmy left and right slightly as the boy appears and disappears. Someone moved the camera between takes!

I think you are right. I noticed this slight movement in the original clip, but couldn't put my finger on what it means, because first I thought the camera is on a tripod, but the movement made me think, well, it's hand held. What you say makes perfect sense, the camera was probably mounted on a tripod, but slightly moved during takes.

Hm, it's actually quite funny to play video detective

 

[jambo372]

My mum's aunt showed her several photographs of spirit apparitions. She's a medium.

She took a picture of her daughter ( my mum's cousin ) on her wedding day. When you look at the photo you can see a transparent woman standing behind my mum's cousin. The woman is supposedly my biological great gran.

She also took another picture of her daughter in the back garden, in front of a six foot fence. In this photo you can see two spirit babies floating just above either side of her head.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

Do you have any... oh, what's the use?

 

[wahrheit]

Do you have any... oh, what's the use?

Ts ts ts, you mean skeptic.