My "ESP" experiences

[Stereolab]

--sigh--

I'm skeptical alright...I'm skeptical about DangerousBeliefs' ability to read.

 

[Darwin'sGoat]

Ow. Crying 'post edit' and then editting your own post when I refute you. Bad pool.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Why do strange coicidences necessitate a paranormal explanation?

Stereo, you are a believer. You have rejected all explanations simply because you can't believe your weird experiences could be mundane. You are about as skeptic as Lucianarchy.

 

[Stereolab]

Why do strange coicidences necessitate a paranormal explanation?

Stereo, you are a believer. You have rejected all explanations simply because you can't believe your weird experiences could be mundane. You are about as skeptic as Lucianarchy.

It's really funny how some of you guys flex your skeptical muscles by refuting claims that I have not made.

The fact that I do not believe any of the explanations put forth so far does not indicate any insistence on my part that the experiences were "paranormal."

I bet you make fun of religious people because they're closed minded and never listen, don't you?

 

[T'ai Chi]

Stereo, you are a believer. You have rejected all explanations simply because you can't believe your weird experiences could be mundane. You are about as skeptic as Lucianarchy.

Because one has found explanations to be lacking doesn't necessarily mean that one is a believer.

 

[thaiboxerken]

It's really funny how some of you guys flex your skeptical muscles by refuting claims that I have not made.

Yes, you are not the first believer to come in and "not make a claim". Clancie is the queen of this. She "doesn't believe JE is a medium" but she fights the notion that he isn't a medium and rejects any and all evidence that he isn't. Just like her, you are rejecting all explanations that don't describe a paranormal experience.


I bet you make fun of religious people because they're closed minded and never listen, don't you?

Yes, because you are exactly right. They are closed-minded and they don't listen to reason.

 

[T'ai Chi]

In fact, I'd go so far as to say you are definitely not a skeptic. You are a believer. And nothing anyone posts will change your mind that you have a true psychic power.

Wow, then you should apply for the $1 Million then since you can read minds and the future.

But instead of pointless discussion on this, why not test your powers using logical, controlled conditions?

Again, how does one come up with a controlled experiment to test his 'ESP', something which he doesn't know when it will occur, and if it does, he can't control it?

Why on Earth do you keep insisting for him to put something to a controlled test, something which he hasn't claimed he can control?

Surely an MBA can come up with a reasonable controlled situation... something more statistically meaningful than "pick my favorite color".

That's just insulting, but not entirely unexpected. You'll have to try better in a rational discussion to be taken seriously by skeptics.

 

[thaiboxerken]

That's just insulting, but not entirely unexpected. You'll have to try better in a rational discussion to be taken seriously by skeptics.

When, and if, you ever become a skeptic, maybe you can become the spokeman for us. Until then, speak for yourself.

 

[Stereolab]

It's really funny how some of you guys flex your skeptical muscles by refuting claims that I have not made.

Just like her, you are rejecting all explanations that don't describe a paranormal experience.


I bet you make fun of religious people because they're closed minded and never listen, don't you?

Yes, because you are exactly right. They are closed-minded and they don't listen to reason.

I have rejected some scientific explanations. What makes you so convinced that I have, in fact, rejected all (your word) scientific explanations?

I don't "believe" in anything in particular regarding these experiences, nor do I think I have all the answers. That's why I'm on here soliciting thoughts from people.

You're no more open-minded than the religious people are. Based on my experiences and interpretations, you're absolutely convinced I'm a heretic in your skeptical world.

 

[Darwin'sGoat]

That's just insulting, but not entirely unexpected. You'll have to try better in a rational discussion to be taken seriously by skeptics. [/B]

Where the hell did that come from? Pot calling the kettle a cooking implement methinks.

 

[Stereolab]

When, and if, you ever become a skeptic, maybe you can become the spokeman for us. Until then, speak for yourself.

Tai Chi is demonstrating far more logical, critical thought then you are.

My position in this discussion is admittedly a tough one to defend. But boy, do I wish I had a chance to debate you on a more "normal" topic sometime. I could whip you from either side.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Yes, you are not the first believer to come in and "not make a claim". Clancie is the queen of this. She "doesn't believe JE is a medium" but she fights the notion that he isn't a medium and rejects any and all evidence that he isn't. Just like her, you are rejecting all explanations that don't describe a paranormal experience.

We are talking about possibly testing 'ESP', not Clancie. Bringing up/in other people is irrelevant.

I bet you make fun of religious people because they're closed minded and never listen, don't you?

Yes, because you are exactly right. They are closed-minded and they don't listen to reason.

Stereolab, check out some of the atheist rooms in Paltalk sometime.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I have rejected some scientific explanations. What makes you so convinced that I have, in fact, rejected all (your word) scientific explanations?

Most people will realize that when I said "all" scientific explanations, I meant all of the ones that you've been presented. Let's stick to arguments and not semantics. Are there any scientific explanations (that have been presented to you) that you haven't rejected?

I don't "believe" in anything in particular regarding these experiences, nor do I think I have all the answers. That's why I'm on here soliciting thoughts from people.

And rejecting those explanations that are mundane.

You're no more open-minded than the religious people are.

Sure I am, it only takes evidence to change my mind.

Based on my experiences and interpretations, you're absolutely convinced I'm a heretic in your skeptical world.

Yep, because you haven't shown a skeptical position regarding your "weird" experiences.

 

[renata]

The fact that I do not believe any of the explanations put forth so far does not indicate any insistence on my part that the experiences were "paranormal."

There has been a variety of possible explanations put forth, and you apparently reject them all. Perhaps now is the time for you to put forth your explanation for your experiences.

Please also explain what you think is lacking in the array of explanations so far, and what kind of explanation you were looking for. None of us know exactly what happened, since you don't recall the exact date of the first experience we can't even check if it was a rerun.

Several people who posted know quite a bit about memory studies and skepticism. Some had similar experiences but upon reflection found mundane explanations. So I am a little unsure what kind of assistance you are seeking. Since you have a degree in engineering, you should know quite a bit about testable claims, experimental design and other related relevant information. In other words- you yourself should be able to articulate possible alternative explanations for your experiences and see how you can differentiate between ESP and the various alternatives offered here if anything unusual happens in the future. Perhaps some people here can give assistance in that.

I remember someone here who thought astrology was real, and designed a forum test. That person was a believer, and people participated in a test here, and results were predictable-no better than chance. It was very interesting to see a believer cooperating with skeptics. Unfortunately, I can't find the thread- it may have been purged, but veterans can confirm it. My point is that there are substantial resources here, but you need to get a little more specific.

 

[T'ai Chi]

When, and if, you ever become a skeptic, maybe you can become the spokeman for us. Until then, speak for yourself.

For the second time, this is about possibly testing 'ESP'. Please try and stay on the subject.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Stereolab, check out some of the atheist rooms in Paltalk sometime.

Yes, they are full of open-minded atheists. All it takes is evidence to change their minds. I'm Reverend Boxer on there, feel free to say hi to me. I'm there now.

 

[thaiboxerken]

For the second time, this is about possibly testing 'ESP'. Please try and stay on the subject.

Unfalsifiable claims can't be tested. When one says that ESP is random and uncontrollable, it makes the claim unfalsifiable.

If you want to stay on topic, quit straying off of it. There was no need for your "skeptic" remark.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Yes, they are full of open-minded atheists. All it takes is evidence to change their minds. I'm Reverend Boxer on there, feel free to say hi to me. I'm there now.

Stereolab, visit those rooms for a while and make your own observations, then please report back to us on this thread, another thread, or by PM.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Tai Chi is demonstrating far more logical, critical thought then you are.

But boy, do I wish I had a chance to debate you on a more "normal" topic sometime. I could whip you from either side.

I am skeptical of these statements.

 

[Stereolab]

I have rejected some scientific explanations. What makes you so convinced that I have, in fact, rejected all (your word) scientific explanations?

Most people will realize that when I said "all" scientific explanations, I meant all of the ones that you've been presented. Let's stick to arguments and not semantics. Are there any scientific explanations (that have been presented to you) that you haven't rejected?

I don't "believe" in anything in particular regarding these experiences, nor do I think I have all the answers. That's why I'm on here soliciting thoughts from people.

And rejecting those explanations that are mundane.

You're no more open-minded than the religious people are.

Sure I am, it only takes evidence to change my mind.

Based on my experiences and interpretations, you're absolutely convinced I'm a heretic in your skeptical world.

Yep, because you haven't shown a skeptical position regarding your "weird" experiences.

Do you even understand what "semantics" means in logic? Semantics are not trivial; they're actually very, very important. In order for you to be so sure that I am a "believer," I would think you'd want to be certain (at the very least) that I was, in fact, rejecting all "mundane" explanations, not just the ones that some people on a message board happened to come up with.

Otherwise, you seem way too quick to jump to conclusions to be the skeptic you think you are.