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Murder

Athyrio

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A month ago today there was a thread on suicide in this section. There's a lot of thought right now on murder given the Texas school massacre and the store in Buffalo. I was just curious as to how many on ISF have ever been touched by murder.

Due to the nature of my profession (retired) I have known many murderers - some who had already been convicted as such and some who became murderers later. One client's wife confided in me that her husband had murdered her own brother but had been acquitted. He was one of the nicest kind of people, even gave me pointers on a problem with working on my car once when we had a casual chat. He ended up strangling her to death. Two other clients of mine I had for a few years were murdered later secondary to risky behaviors, one of them also being a neighbor of mine. Two people from my high school were murdered, one older, who had been a local football coach whom I had known of for years and had not only entertained me at his house, he had also attended a party at my house a couple of years later. Another adult neighbor I had when I was a kid was beaten to death with a baseball bat during a robbery at his business.

The closest murders to me family wise are one for sure and one only speculated. The one for sure was my first cousin. One year older, we had been playmates for years. I met her husband to-be at the family Xmas gathering in 1968. He was just graduating West Point and, my being already 20 years old, the families began to drift away from the old celebratory reunions, but I did encounter the two at many funerals and weddings over the years. On April Fool's Day 2019, this retired 3 star general shot and killed my cousin and then himself. At least that's what the official report says.

The speculated murder is my 2nd father-in-law. The official report was suicide but my current wife believes my mother-in-law did it and I believe it was her and the oldest son, but that's just a belief based on one event and speculation.

I have never been troubled by events as close as these most recent murders in the media. I really can't imagine the personal tragedy they are enduring. The personal events above don't come close, but I wondered about some of us here.

Anybody here ever been touched by a murder or a murderer?
 
I really can't imagine the personal tragedy they are enduring.
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Yes but I don't see a good reason to talk about it here. You wanna hear how sad and painful it was for everyone? Turn on a TV any day of the week.
 
I've often wondered about my tenth great grandfather as the records show that he was stabbed in the arm by a 'Matti of Suitsula' and died three weeks later from the wound. He was high up in the cavalry and the owner of the estate. I have never been able to find out who this Matti of Suitsula was and think perhaps he is anonymised to save the blushes of the present generation. Suitsula was a nearby adjacent estate. I spotted this in a textbook:

“The Great Wrath 1713 - 1721
It is noted in the list of the dead during Marttila's Great Wrath that the parish's bailiff, Laurila's Jaakko Jaakonpoika, was murdered on 7 December 1715 in a Lieto country road. Possibly the act was the work of the Russians, if the bailiff was not killed by a Finn, such as the host of Heikola Halli, [Jaako Heikinpoika Halli of Heikola, Marttila (b.? circa 1665 - 7 Feb 1714)] who was stabbed to death by Matti of Suitsula on 20 January 1714. In the worst case, the number of Russian casualties in Marttila's parent church thus depended on a single person.”
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Marttilan Pitäjän Historia, Aulis Oja, 1959

I wonder whether this was a political issue arising from the Russian invasion or a dispute over land and property - probably the most common issue magistrates of the day had to deal with - or just a good old fashioned drunken brawl. Finns until recently had a gentleman's right to carry a puukko - a hunting knife - so stabbings were quite common.

A sweet coincidence is that one of my grandparents' dogs, a type of husky, was called...'Halli'.
 
A kid I knew as a youngster was murdered by a pair of teenage psychos, apparently during a robbery. The details were grisly and I've never forgotten it.

And a 17 year old up the block was gunned down in front of his house about 12 years ago. He'd got in with a wrong crowd and wanted out, so they drove by and shot him with a perfectly cheap and legal semiauto AKM. I was outdoors in my front garden at that moment, and I heard the carefully spaced shots, about 7 I think, although I didn't count them. I knew it wasn't a pistol.

That murder touched me, yes. Later, when I went by the house, I saw a flower from my garden included in the pathetic memorial his family and friends had put up on the spot where he died. I'm glad they cut the flower without asking. I don't know what I would do if somebody begged a flower from me for that purpose.
 
When I was a teenager, my older brother was accidentally shot and killed while at a neighbors house. I was an awkward teen, I got bullied a bit up to that point.

One of my brother's friend's sort of took me under his wing for a bit after that, he was a fun guy with oodles of charisma. That made a difference in the phase of my life.

Many years later we had all gone our separate ways. My brother's friend had become a journalist and then a lawyer.

One day he was dealing with a minor contract dispute, something about an office remodel that had gone off the rails. When he arrived at the courthouse for a hearing, the rival party in the dispute murdered him and his fellow lawyer in the parking lot. Then the shooter sat down in a nice grassy spot and killed himself as well.
 
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I carried the casket of a cousin at a funeral when I was a teenager. Years later my dad told me that in his opinion the cousin was murdered by his father and the sheriff botched the investigation.

Ranb
 
My cousin was murdered. She fell in with what used to be called a "bad crowd." Rumor was that she would brag that she had uncles in law enforcement, and someone killed her for that. I liked her. But my family lived 2000+ miles away, so I'd only seen her a few times in my life. I was sad, but it wasn't traumatizing. Also, I was still in my teens at the time.

My workplace had a shooting incident (disgruntled employee) who killed four other employees and wounded two others. I knew all of them except one very well. One of the wounded was on my small team. This affected me much more than my cousin, and it happened less than 10 years ago.
 
A coworker disappeared one day, and her husband was arrested for her murder several years later despite the body never being found. He was convicted and is serving essentially life.

There seems little doubt that he's guilty.
 
When I was a kid, the small town where I grew up had a string of statistically unlikely murders that earned it the nickname "Village of the Damned". It started when our neighbors, a family of four, were murdered, their 15-year-old daughter sexually assaulted before also being killed. I knew her a little bit, from sharing the same school bus stop. She was popular and pretty while also being kind to everyone. This all happened a few days before Christmas, and the memory of her waving and saying "Merry Christmas!" is etched into my brain. My younger brother was friends with their 11-year-old son. I'll also never forget the look on his face when my father told him what had happened.

The cops eventually found the suspect, and he was killed in a "shootout" (there are some reasons to suppose that the cops just assassinated him after they had him under control). This was all national news for a while, and then it was national news again, because the lead investigator fabricated evidence that implicated the suspect's mother. He was found out when he interviewed with the CIA and bragged about fabricating evidence in a different case. It seems the CIA weren't impressed. My first girlfriend's mother ran the legal aid charity that helped the mother out. She spent two and a half years in jail.

And then a bunch of other murders happened.
 
mgidm86 said:
Yes but I don't see a good reason to talk about it here. You wanna hear how sad and painful it was for everyone? Turn on a TV any day of the week.
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I have. And I hear them. I guess I just can't feel the true pain they are feeling until it hits home for real. Out of 13 grandchildren, I still have 10 of them in public schools and it worries me every day. So far I've been fortunate.

But we have talked about suicide. Why not about murder? I was just curious if the members here had been affected in any way by it.
 
mumblethrax said:
When I was a kid, the small town where I grew up had a string of statistically unlikely murders that earned it the nickname "Village of the Damned". It started when our neighbors, a family of four, were murdered, their 15-year-old daughter sexually assaulted before also being killed. I knew her a little bit, from sharing the same school bus stop. She was popular and pretty while also being kind to everyone. This all happened a few days before Christmas, and the memory of her waving and saying "Merry Christmas!" is etched into my brain. My younger brother was friends with their 11-year-old son. I'll also never forget the look on his face when my father told him what had happened.

The cops eventually found the suspect, and he was killed in a "shootout" (there are some reasons to suppose that the cops just assassinated him after they had him under control). This was all national news for a while, and then it was national news again, because the lead investigator fabricated evidence that implicated the suspect's mother. He was found out when he interviewed with the CIA and bragged about fabricating evidence in a different case. It seems the CIA weren't impressed. My first girlfriend's mother ran the legal aid charity that helped the mother out. She spent two and a half years in jail.

And then a bunch of other murders happened.
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What is the acronym CIA in your post, may I ask?
 
Athyrio said:
What is the acronym CIA in your post, may I ask?
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The Central Intelligence Agency.

U.S. spies.

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Dope Clock II: It's been 349 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
 
I remember 3 more. I have really blotted out a lot of bad memories of suicides and murders.

When I was in college I worked part time in a warehouse and there was this older lady named Jessie, who lived around the corner from my grandfather's house, that I worked with for 4 years. Her husband hung around the warehouse too and I briefly knew him. He had a string of rental houses in sketchy neighborhoods of Atlanta and a few years after I was gone from the warehouse, he was shot to death on one of his rent collection runs. Just a few years later, Jessie and another relative of hers were beaten to death in a burglary.

In 1992 on a Sunday morning I came to work and escorted the physician who had worked all night to her car before she left. We had become work friends because she was new and wanted to live near the facility. I told her of my vicinity and how it was a low crime area so she rented an apartment close to a gated community where she was contracting for a house. An hour later she was murdered by a thug who probably thought she had some riches because she drove a Jag. I don't recall how I was informed, but being the clinician on duty, I had to handle the calls from the Atlanta media that day.
 
arayder said:
The Central Intelligence Agency.

U.S. spies.

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Dope Clock II: It's been 349 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
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