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Multiple People Shot, Undetonated Devices Found in Brooklyn Subway

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Multiple People Shot, Undetonated Devices Found in Brooklyn Subway

Multiple people have been shot in a Brooklyn subway station and several undetonated devices were also found at the location, according to fire officials and three law enforcement sources. They stress the investigation is preliminary.

At least five people were said to have been shot by a man about 5 feet 5 inches tall and 180 pounds who was wearing a gas mask and an orange construction vest, according to three senior law enforcement officials. He fled the scene and has not been caught.

Several law enforcement sources said the shooter may have thrown a device before opening fire at the 36th Street and Fourth Avenue station in Sunset Park around 8:30 a.m. Tuesday. The extent of the victims' injuries wasn't clear.
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The devices, both detonated and undetonated, are being referred to now as "smoke bombs."
 
To clarify, the shooting seems to have happened on a subway train while it was moving, just before it arrived at the Sunset Park station to which police were called.

There is at least one video taken by a passenger which shows the train stopping at the station and panicked passengers exiting as clouds of smoke waft from the train car. Muffled shots can be heard at the beginning of the clip.

There are other injuries as well besides the 10 who were shot.

Local outlet story
 
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10 shoots in that kind of enclosed, packed environment with no (as of this post) confirmed deaths is some good damn luck.
 
Rumors that a police screw-up may have allowed the shooter to get away. Allegedly cops did not hold the trains and the shooter may have been able to transfer to another line and disappear in the chaos.

Police error may have allowed the suspect in Tuesday morning’s Brooklyn subway shooting to escape, according to an NYPD source.

The shooting happened while the Manhattan-bound N train was between 59th and 36th streets. When the train pulled up at 36th Street, victims poured out onto the platform as smoke from munitions let off by the gas-mask-wearing shooter billowed from the train car. However, the local duty captain of a Brooklyn South patrol reportedly did not freeze all trains in and out of the 36th Street station, which is a transfer point for the N, R, and D lines.
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https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/shooting-new-york-city-brooklyn-subway-station-1336240/

Whoopsie.

NYPD denies this claim.
 
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theprestige said:
I wonder if that's even a reasonable expectation, timing-wise.
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Common sense would dictate, yes. If for no other reason than to preserve a crime scene, clean\clear out the car, and make sure no other undetonated devices were on the train. The last thing anyone would want is this thing moving ahead and blowing up at the next train stop.
 
Stuff like this always makes me a little more nervous then it should. Reads too much like a "test run."
 
plague311 said:
Common sense would dictate, yes. If for no other reason than to preserve a crime scene, clean\clear out the car, and make sure no other undetonated devices were on the train. The last thing anyone would want is this thing moving ahead and blowing up at the next train stop.
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I think the point is that they didn't stop all the trains at this particular station, which serves multiple lines. I don't think the actual smoke filled car was allowed to move on, it's more the speculation that allowing other lines to keep moving may have allowed for the suspect to rapidly escape the area.
 
I'd wager it's a little more complicated then just pressing some single magical "Make trains stop now" button.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I think the point is that they didn't stop all the trains at this particular station, which serves multiple lines. I don't think the actual smoke filled car was allowed to move on, it's more the speculation that allowing other lines to keep moving may have allowed for the suspect to rapidly escape the area.
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Ah, that was my misunderstanding then.

JoeMorgue said:
I'd wager it's a little more complicated then just pressing some single magical "Make trains stop now" button.
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That's a good question\thought. Is it? I'd assume they have an emergency option that would shut down the trains, honestly. Definitely seems like something that would be useful at some point. Like 9/11 where they'd want to stop all trains from going in that direction, or during the flooding they had from the hurricane recently. I wonder what the process is in that scenario?
 
plague311 said:
That's a good question\thought. Is it? I'd assume they have an emergency option that would shut down the trains, honestly. Definitely seems like something that would be useful at some point. Like 9/11 where they'd want to stop all trains from going in that direction, or during the flooding they had from the hurricane recently. I wonder what the process is in that scenario?
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You would assume that the NYPD, with all their bloated budget and gigantic footprint, would have protocols to rapidly take control of the cities massive and vital transit system in the event of a terror attack/mass shooting.

I guess beating the **** out of turnstile jumpers is easier.
 
The local article mentions that some of the passengers from the train where the shooting took place were able to flee across the platform to another train and thus escape the scene when that train left the station. It's certainly plausible the shooter could have been among them.

However, the one video we have of this moment, clearly records the sounds of the last few shots literally as the train is stopping in the station. It is only in this moment that the first phone calls to emergency services could possibly have been made. At that point we know it's only a few seconds before the train on the other side of the platform leaves, so I think it is rather unreasonable to suggest that police who were only then beginning to receive "shots fired" calls should have been able to prevent that other train from leaving. And I highly doubt the attacker lingered among his victims on the platform for the several minutes it would've taken for another train to arrive.
 
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Checkmite said:
The local article mentions that some of the passengers from the train where the shooting took place were able to flee across the platform to another train and thus escape the scene when that train left the station. It's certainly plausible the shooter could have been among them.

However, the one video we have of this moment, clearly records the sounds of the last few shots literally as the train is stopping in the station. It is only in this moment that the first phone calls to emergency services could possibly have been made. At that point we know it's only a few seconds before the train on the other side of the platform leaves, so I think it is rather unreasonable to suggest that police who were only then beginning to receive "shots fired" calls should have been able to prevent that other train from leaving. And I highly doubt the attacker lingered among his victims on the platform for the several minutes it would've taken for another train to arrive.
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That's kind of what I was thinking.

I can sort of see the police captain deciding that the horse had already left the barn, and that the backlash against the NYPD would be worse if he shut down a major subway nexus for several hours.

But I can also sort of see doing it anyway, just in case. Shut down that station, and shut down the next station(s) on each line, until a thoroough search can be made and the possibility can be ruled out that the shooter is still inside the net .

Or maybe they have another, better protocol for this particular scenario, were actually running a cromulent playbook the entire time, and the reporting is ignorant and inflammatory.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Stuff like this always makes me a little more nervous then it should. Reads too much like a "test run."
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Reads more like "breaking news, rush to publish, and more details later". I'd expect lots of details to emerge by the end of the day.

Ranb
 
NYPD have already identified a suspect; found a van rented by him in Brooklyn. From what I am reading he is not exactly the brightest bulb in the room.
 
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