Multiculturalism rocks!

[Cleon]

Because he's on a Jewish forum... yeah. That was obviously it.

Damn Jews. We're They're always controlling everything and ruining everyone else's fun.

 

[Clippy]

There is no requirement at all. Huge numbers of people -- including white Europeans -- will naturally seek out new and tasty items from other cultures. Those cultures' people usually follow, if for no other reason than to supply these new markets. No one is forcing them to explore and make connections with other people, they do it on their own for pleasure. It takes cultural cops like yourself to try and block them from it for no good reason.

Were people ever asked if they wanted 3rd World immigration? Of course not, and they escape from its effects when they can. Malmo is on its way to being completely ethnically cleansed of native Swedes.

It’s sad, really. The link you cite is about traits derived from being stuck at home. Now that we can all get out more, and more easily, who are you to stop anyone?

What are you saying? Taking a trip around the world could change my DNA? People should be allowed to go wherever they want? Nonsense.

So now you tell me, how does my not being Jewish have anything to do with what I am saying?

If you're White, you're a useful idiot.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

I am reminded of the United States obsession with Mexican immigration, and being with my uncle and grandmother when they were told by some local hicks to go back to Mexico. Despite that there ancestors likely came to this country long before the ancestors of the hicks that were yelling such stupidity.

Oh and my fiance's friend who was told to go back to Arabia, despite the fact that she is a third generation American.

Isn't xenophobia just fun?

 

[Ikarus]

Were people ever asked if they wanted 3rd World immigration? Of course not, and they escape from its effects when they can. Malmo is on its way to being completely ethnically cleansed of native Swedes.

SAUCE PLOX*

(* I'd be very interested in reading about this in depth, with some numbers and figures suggesting the topic has been researched, at least slightly. It would be the first time in urban history that a city's population voluntarily moved out, while another cultural group moves in. Failure to deliver will make me sad and frowny.)

 

[cwalner]

Isn't xenophobia just fun?

Well, it does lead to inbreeding, which is the game the whole family can play.

 

[Matthew Best]

Failure to deliver will make me sad and frowny.

I have a feeling you're in for a miserable few days at least.

 

[GreyArea]

Were people ever asked if they wanted 3rd World immigration?

Yes, they were, and Swedes are strongly in favor of it by huge majorities, majorities stronger than in several other European countries.

"Sweden is a flat exception to this pattern of preference for the wealthy, since it is the single country in which citizens express a preference for the people coming from poorer countries rather than those from the wealthy countries." (p.6)

"...it deserves attention that Sweden is the country with the most open attitudes to the hosting of immigrants." (p.7)

"With regard to the recognition of equal rights for immigrants and citizens and the repatriation of immigrants settled in the territory, Sweden appears as the most favourable country again..." (p.18, and see the graph on p.17)
http://www.essex.ac.uk/ecpr/events/jointsessions/paperarchive/uppsala/ws16/moualhi.pdf

Malmo is on its way to being completely ethnically cleansed of native Swedes.

You use the term "ethnically cleansed", which is some rather charged language. Are there government- or military-sponsored pogroms against native-born Swedes in Malmo? Mass, forced deportations? Aerial bombardment of residential areas? Artillery attacks against important cultural sites? Radio shows calling for the hacking to death of Swedish men, women, and children? Detention camps?

Beyond that, your claim is unlikely. Less than a third of the people in Malmo were born outside Sweden. http://www.malmo.se/kommunfaktapoli...etperland.4.33aee30d103b8f15916800028420.html This is less diverse than Toronto, Vancouver, Los Angeles, and New York City, and comparable to London, Sydney, and Singapore, all depending on how you define your in-groups.

If you subtract from the total those people of Malmo who are from other EU member states and from Norway, that leaves at most about 20% foreign-born residents. (There seems to be a large amount of immigrants in the total who were not listed by country, since there 150 other countries of origin and the figures are very small.) But 20% is small potatoes.

If we subtract the number of people from the old Second World (the former Communist countries that aren't now in the EU), the figure goes down to less than 15%.

And, of course, before all the "uberSwedish" Malmoites have time to move away, the children of the immigrants will themselves be native Swedes.

And again, what do you mean by "Third World"? Poland? The former Yugoslavia? Chile? Turkey? Lebanon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Finally: what Ikarus said.

What are you saying? Taking a trip around the world could change my DNA?

No. You were saying that Swedes as an ethnic group are so defined because of centuries of marrying their close neighbors. I said that modern ease of travel allows people to find spouses beyond the confines of their village. This is a good thing. The parents' DNA stays the same, of course, but their kids' can be more varied. The definition of "Swedish" is variable, and those kids can choose to identify that way if they want.

But I think that's what you are worried about. The fact that my recent ancestors have come from seven different countries causes me no such concern. Believe me, there is nothing wrong with it.

If you're White, you're a useful idiot.

Oh, far from it. I am white, but not White. And I'm smart enough to know what you mean by the distinction. As for usefulness, I prefer genuine understanding of social problems instead of xenophobic pseudoscience.

 

[332nd]

I think multiracialism is a problem.

Why? multiracialism begets the spectacular, exotic, 100% pure awesome that is me. Flowers grow where I walk. Cats can't help but purr. All mammals nipples spring erect. When I'm on the internet porn googles me. The very wind brought me a motorcycle so it could blow through my hair.... And so forth...

 

[Jono]

SAUCE PLOX*

(* I'd be very interested in reading about this in depth, with some numbers and figures suggesting the topic has been researched, at least slightly. It would be the first time in urban history that a city's population voluntarily moved out, while another cultural group moves in. Failure to deliver will make me sad and frowny.)

While I'm not sure, it sounds like he's referring to of discussed "white flight" thingy.

 

[cwalner]

Why? multiracialism begets the spectacular, exotic, 100% pure awesome that is me. Flowers grow where I walk. Cats can't help but purr. All mammals nipples spring erect. When I'm on the internet porn googles me. The very wind brought me a motorcycle so it could blow through my hair.... And so forth...

Nominated for autosycophantic solipsistic pith.

 

[cwalner]

But I think that's what you are worried about. The fact that my recent ancestors have come from seven different countries causes me no such concern. Believe me, there is nothing wrong with it.

For me that is practically part and parcell of being an American and it reminds of when I was an exchange student in Spain in 1988.

If you recall your history, this was only about 10-15 years after the end of the Franco regime which included an enforced homogeneity (It was illegal to name a child with something other than a Castillian name). As a result most of my friends in Spain were Spanish. Thier parents were Spanish, their Grandparents were Spanish, etc.

When I mentioned my background and started listing off the countries (mostly and most of Eastern Europe - that I know of) where my ancestors came from, it was completely different from thier personal experience. Even with all of that, none of them made any value judgements about it, just commented that it seemed odd to them to have such a varied background because it was not what they were familiar with.

 

[The Man]

Typical leftist racism.

Arcade22, you're on a Jewish forum. Forget about trying to defend yourself or making a sensible point about race. As a Swede, you're nothing.

All this time I thought this was a Druish fourm.

 

[Cleon]

All this time I thought this was a Druish fourm.

Funny, it doesn't look Druish.

 

[Jono]

Oh, far from it. I am white, but not White. And I'm smart enough to know what you mean by the distinction. As for usefulness, I prefer genuine understanding of social problems instead of xenophobic pseudoscience.

While I'm not of Clippy's position, I wouldn't necessarily call restrictive or even rejective sentiments toward 'multiculturalism' as xenophobic, or nonsensical, or racist. I'm not generally thrilled by a variety of extents thereof myself.

 

[The Man]

But would you call Clippy's position (as expounded by Clippy) any or all of those?

 

[Jono]

But would you call Clippy's position (as expounded by Clippy) any or all of those?

Pseudoscientific? Not from what I've seen, because it would have to be at least in the resemblence of something scientific first. Nonsensical? Sure, noted on the tendency for exaguration etc, which reminds me of something my father once said (paraphrasing); the habitual exaguration of certain issues by the right-winged is equaled by the left-winged habitual down-playing of the same issues. Heads tend to be up in the clouds or buried in the dirt, all wanting and hoping what is of bother, passes away, either by overt action or pretending it doesn't exist.

 

[The Man]

Pseudoscientific? Not from what I've seen, because it would have to be at least in the resemblence of something scientific first. Nonsensical? Sure, noted on the tendency for exaguration etc, which reminds me of something my father once said (paraphrasing); the habitual exaguration of certain issues by the right-winged is equaled by the left-winged habitual down-playing of the same issues. Heads tend to be up in the clouds or buried in the dirt, all wanting and hoping what is of bother, passes away, either by overt action or pretending it doesn't exist.

Actually I was referring to the specific words in your previous post "xenophobic, or nonsensical, or racist”. So I’ll take that as a yes in at least the ‘any’ category with “nonsensical”. How about those other two words?

 

[Architect]

White ethnic groups don't really exist, so there's no basis to complain about 3rd world immigration. It's boilerplate.

De? De as a tha seo? Tha mi ghaidhlig agus tha sinn an "ethnic group" comhla duchas agus cannan agus ceol agus freckles gu leor..........

 

[The Man]

Just some thoughts while considering cultures, multiculturalism and racism. Certainly the phrases “a culture of racism” or “the culture of racism” are not unheard of. In fact racism does have its own standards, ideals, goals even traditions or customs perhaps in a very general sense symbology, art and language as well, all aspects of a particular culture. However unlike a most cultures racism really isn’t a culture unto itself, but more of a subculture or parasitic culture feeding off the particular culture it needs or professes to represent or protect. As such it transcends cultural barriers and you could most likely find racists in just about any race or culture. So that being said is racism, or could it be considered, a multicultural subculture (albeit an entirely despicable one), such that in practicing racism one actually engages in activities that transcend racial and cultural barriers and are generally no different on one side of such barriers as on the other?

 

[Jono]

Actually I was referring to the specific words in your previous post "xenophobic, or nonsensical, or racist”. So I’ll take that as a yes in at least the ‘any’ category with “nonsensical”. How about those other two words?

Xenophobic? Racist? Possibly so, he's certainly made statements that could arguably qualify as such, but I haven't read up on my Clippy-trivia to really comment encompassively on the whole or perhaps the bone of it. I care little of doing so.