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Monkey See. Monkey Do. Oops $12 million.

William Parcher

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Parents of four black students plan to sue a New York school district for $12 million after a teacher wrote 'monkey do' above an image of their children outside zoo's gorilla enclosure and showed it to a class

Daily Mail said:
Four black students and their families are planning to sue a New York school district for $12 million after a teacher played a slideshow featuring an image of them captioned 'monkey do' to a class. The photograph of the Longwood High School students - which was taken during a field trip to the Bronx Zoo in November - shows the four teenagers standing in a line with their arms resting on the back of the person ahead of them.

The image was then featured in a 'grossly racist' slideshow played during a zoology class on December 20, with the phrase 'monkey do' typed above the image, the New York Post reported.

Lawyer John Ray, who is representing three of the students, said teachers had 'created and manipulated' the photograph and placed it between a picture of monkeys captioned 'monkey see' and a photo of a gorilla in the presentation. He added this was 'thereby misusing the pidgin expression, "Monkey See, Monkey Do" for racially discriminatory and offensive purposes'.

In a notice of the $12 million claim, Ray claimed the students were 'deliberately persuaded, tricked and cajoled' into posing for the photograph which was taken next to the gorilla exhibit.

Students Jahkeem Moye, Khevin Beaubrun, Gykye Murray and Desmond Dent Jr alleged two teachers told them to pose in the unusual way while on the field trip, ABC News reported. 'Us four, we all felt uncomfortable with this,' Beaubrun said. 'We all thought it was weird'. Moye added: 'I didn't know, like that they were going to put it in that perspective and show us, compare us to monkeys'.

The slideshow exposed 'claimant students ... to ridicule, embarrassment and shame, anxiety, fear and emotional harm', the document claims.

The four students and their families now intend to sue the school district for $12 million for emotional distress and violation of their civil rights.

Michael Lonergan, superintendent of the Longwood Central School District, has dubbed the slideshow 'culturally insensitive' and an 'unfortunate lapse of judgment'...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-sue-New-York-school-district-12-million.html
 

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Yeah, those folks are gonna be rich.

Man, you have to be a special kind of moron to do something like that.
 
Juries award unrealistic amounts and then judges reduce it to fit the real world that we live in. The kids will get about $5,000 each. Maybe less.
 
If it gets to a jury. More likely a settlement, maybe?

IANAL, but my guess is they will eventually settle for an undisclosed amount and the case will be dropped. The teacher(s) in question may be fired.
 
If it gets to a jury. More likely a settlement, maybe?

IANAL, but my guess is they will eventually settle for an undisclosed amount and the case will be dropped. The teacher(s) in question may be fired.
Personally hope they have to pay 12 mill. And the same for the next and the next and the next.....

They might actually sort it out.
 
I don't see the problem, kids are often compared to monkeys, I was always called a monkey as a child, it was meant to be endearing. Because they're black they can't be playfully compared to monkeys? Why?
 
I don't see the problem, kids are often compared to monkeys, I was always called a monkey as a child, it was meant to be endearing. Because they're black they can't be playfully compared to monkeys? Why?
Dark skinned races have decided that "monkey" is an especially offensive word. Calling an indigenous Australian a monkey is almost enough to convict you of a hate crime (or at least, get you a life time ban from all football matches).
 
I don't see the problem, kids are often compared to monkeys, I was always called a monkey as a child, it was meant to be endearing. Because they're black they can't be playfully compared to monkeys? Why?

Please tell me you are joking.

Tell you what, go to your nearest black neighbourhood and start calling random people monkeys. I hope your family has funeral insurance.
 
Dark skinned races have decided that "monkey" is an especially offensive word. Calling an indigenous Australian a monkey is almost enough to convict you of a hate crime (or at least, get you a life time ban from all football matches).

Before today I didn’t think this needed to be pointed out.

Oh, by the way, calling a young child a “cheeky monkey” is not in the same ball park as the OP. It’s not even in the same universe.
 
I don't see the problem, kids are often compared to monkeys, I was always called a monkey as a child, it was meant to be endearing. Because they're black they can't be playfully compared to monkeys? Why?

You may be being a little obtuse here. I might safely refer to my own children as monkeys, but there's a history of racist insults targeted at blacks calling them monkeys or whatnot.

In Europe for example, racist soccer fans will taunt black players with monkey noises or throw bananas at them... It's been a serious problem.

See this recent article for some context, but obviously the problem was not just limited to soccer in Europe:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/17/...-artwork-milan-roma-inter-spt-intl/index.html

To stay on the safe side, just don't compare black people to monkeys or apes, ever, for any reason. That seems simple enough to me.
 
You may be being a little obtuse here. I might safely refer to my own children as monkeys, but there's a history of racist insults targeted at blacks calling them monkeys or whatnot.



In Europe for example, racist soccer fans will taunt black players with monkey noises or throw bananas at them... It's been a serious problem.



See this recent article for some context, but obviously the problem was not just limited to soccer in Europe:



https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/17/...-artwork-milan-roma-inter-spt-intl/index.html



To stay on the safe side, just don't compare black people to monkeys or apes, ever, for any reason. That seems simple enough to me.
Purely my opinion

But thinking they were being windy uppy, purposefully obtuse
 
Juries award unrealistic amounts and then judges reduce it to fit the real world that we live in. The kids will get about $5,000 each. Maybe less.

While I do have some issues with the amount some people demand in lawsuits, in this case, if the claims are true, then I hope that the punitive damages are high enough to make the school's staff think twice about trying this sort of racist stunt ever again.
 
Reminds me of this clip from Clerks 2:


It shows how some slurs can be quite culturally specific. Coming from the cold north it took me sometime to work out what this meant. We don't have porches. at least not ones that people sit in, they are more like airlocks to stop the cold, wind and rain coming in when you go out. So the connotation of being lazy and lolling on the porch took some working out.

Cheeky monkey would be a widely used term to children when I was little, with no racial connotations, but certainly now one would not want to use it about any but the most blonde of tykes.
 
While I do have some issues with the amount some people demand in lawsuits, in this case, if the claims are true, then I hope that the punitive damages are high enough to make the school's staff think twice about trying this sort of racist stunt ever again.
This pretty much.

PhantomWolf just says it better than me
 
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The issues I have with this
1. The students plan to sue. The process has not started.
2. It is published in the daily fail. May be a media beat up.
3. I want to know the result of the case. The judge might have a different opinion.
4. Is this a single racist photo or one incident in many?
5. Critical facts may be missing.
 

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