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Mind Over Matter!!!

IMMSHARMA

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Hello,
Once again..In my previous post I talked about my discovery of 'a mental process'(which occurs without our actual awareness except through a kind of 'feel') responsible for the control of direction and spin motion of a billiard ball.
Now that I am in a position to give a sound proof of what I have been talking about,I would like to share some thoughts.......

My question to the meterialism (modern science and all it's attributes) would be:
How is it going to understand if my discovery proves that a kind of mere 'mental chanting of a simple thought'(MANTRA that is 'already existing' in the mind) could induce a TOTAL control of the direction and the spin motion of a ball ??

How does it understand if my discovery can prove that the 'extra- measurement' efforts (like angles, degrees etc.,which('measurement') is the very basis of science) and the very object ball (which is supposed to be the reality) have nothing to do with the success of a shot made and that the success of a shot is dependent ONLY on the help of the mind of the subject (mental chanting) and on nothig else other than this 'mental chanting' ???

Also how is it going to understand if I put my theory like this:
I would like to put it in the simplest way-"God is ALL
PERVASIVE."-We don't need to doubt His presence in any
thing.In what FORM He IS is actually unknowable (only
percepible if we don't keep our hearts 'locked').It's
like the plain reality that we do not have access to
what is going on in our sub coscious level.

Yet my 'discovery' could serve as a 'sample' of HIS
all pervasive ness..how He works under current...how
kind and fatherly of Him that He is ever ready with
His service at each and every genuine call of ours.

My discovery(though just related to the area of
'aiming') is all that could show this world how a
'simple thought' on our mind (a kind of mental
chanting of it at the time of our stroke delivery)
could have TOTAL control of the direction and spin
motion of the ball...how our subtle mind (a power ful
'instrument' of God's expression... not the gross
brain) is helping us with a 'routine'( mental
chanting) that enables us to have directional control
of the ball on the table.It would be a wonderful
experience (where we can have a glimpe of that divine
inexplicable ecstacy.) for every one(atleast for the
'targeting' players) how this 'mere mental chanting of
a simple thought'could work wonders and make us free
from all kinds of'externals' that would merely add to
the misery of our struggle with our ball and life as
well.
The essence of my theory or philosophy would be:"The very 'measuring attitude'(the basic tool of meterialism) is the sin ..the real nonsense and the cause of all the misery of mankind."
Your input is welcome.

Thanks,IMMSHARMA(immsharma@yahoo.com)
 
I'm guessing from the style and content that this is Kumar having another go at some sort of paranormal claim. Anyway...



OK, IMMSHARMA.

1) What EXACTLY do you claim to be able to do?

2) What is your EVIDENCE that you can do it?

3) Are you SURE you can do it? How sure? 100% sure?







This is like dropping a watermelon off a building - there's only going to be one result, and it will be messy.
 
IMMSHARMA, your post starts with propostions in the form of:

If "x", then how is science going to explain ...

But "x" is either nonsense or vague or confusing. Thus, the question of finding an explanation is impossible.

So, to second Zep, stop with the suppositions and give us a specific phenomenon that needs explanation.
 
It's so easy though:

Get a beginner pool player.
Enter them in a contest against experts.
Have him or her win the game by chanting at the ball.

We await

lonely wind
ghost towns
tumbleweeds
dusty porches
old purple bottles
empty dirt roads
far of sound of a steam train
IMMSHARMA's evidence
 
I don't see a necessary connection between the existence of psychokinesis and the existence of gods. Why does this ball-controlling power have to hinge on deities? Why couldn't it, if it existed, be merely a hitherto undiscovered part of the natural operation of physics?

Although I will say, if I had the power to spin and direct balls with my mind, I might feel like a god. I'd certainly have a more interesting social life.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I don't see a necessary connection between the existence of psychokinesis and the existence of gods. Why does this ball-controlling power have to hinge on deities? Why couldn't it, if it existed, be merely a hitherto undiscovered part of the natural operation of physics?

Although I will say, if I had the power to spin and direct balls with my mind, I might feel like a god. I'd certainly have a more interesting social life.
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I'm never asking you for a date!
 
TragicMonkey said:
Although I will say, if I had the power to spin and direct balls with my mind, I might feel like a god. I'd certainly have a more interesting social life.
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This isn't the forum to say what I initially thought. :D :D Suffice to say, it was XXX-rated...
 
Kopji said:
We await

lonely wind
ghost towns
tumbleweeds
dusty porches
old purple bottles
empty dirt roads
far of sound of a steam train
IMMSHARMA's evidence
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Aw, that's SO poetic...!
 
IMMSHARMA said:
Hello,
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Salve.

Once again..In my previous post I talked about my discovery of 'a mental process'(which occurs without our actual awareness except through a kind of 'feel') responsible for the control of direction and spin motion of a billiard ball.
Now that I am in a position to give a sound proof of what I have been talking about,I would like to share some thoughts.......
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That original post here:


am IMMSHARMA and have done research on the subject of 'aiming' ..it's involve ment [sic] of human brain....in billiards........

The strange result is that human mind(irrespective of age,sex etc.,) does require to complete a simple (seemingly.... but complex in depth) routine-a 'mental process',along the line of aim, before we strike the ball to produce a spin motion in it and more amazing is that the 'routine' is to be applied(mental completion) in the opposite (back ward) direction of the line of aim in order to get a 'spin stroke' and that if the same routine is applied along line in the same forward direction to get a 'spin less stroke'.

Also...the results show that it's just impossible to produce the 'spin motion' in the required direction without the specific 'routine' (mental process) duely[sic] completed by the mind.

This 'routine'(my discovery) is unknown even to masters of the game except that they just do the required routine completion out of practice...just by feel without it's concrete knowledge.

Thus,apart from mechanical explanations of cause of spin,I feel,it can be proved that a specific mental process i.e the mind is the real cause of spin.

My conclusion is that ,in a way...the stroke knowledge pre exists in the mind and all that (out of practice)a player learns to get used to it (only by feel ..I mean not knowing it concretely)...Does it lead us to conclude that Mind is the all knowing entity and that all kinds of knowledge pre exists in the mind it self?

And as for 'celestial spin',it's known to all that one of the very fundamental questions of cosmology,the cause of spin of the 'celestial balls'-the erath and the other bodies,still remains unanswered(satisfactorily) by modern science.The question has been set aside with some 'vague' explanation......

So....based on my research results,couldn't it be convincingly proved that a ball (terrestial[sic] or celestial) DOES require a MIND at work with a SPECIFIC process/Then it's not hard to imagine whose MIND is behind the spin of the earth....in other words..doesn't this conclusion lead to the proof of 'Existence Of God' ? and is it not for us to conclude (philosophically) that what's true is "mind over matter"?
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More on that later


My question to the meterialism[sic] (modern science and all it's attributes) would be:
How is it going to understand if my discovery proves that a kind of mere 'mental chanting of a simple thought'(MANTRA that is 'already existing' in the mind) could induce a TOTAL control of the direction and the spin motion of a ball ??
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Speaking not as an officially ordained representative of materialism nor of modern science, I have a slightly fogged idea of what you are saying. Are you pointing out the fact that to produce clockwise rotation (right to left) you hit a billiard ball on the left side? Are you referring to the fact that an expert pool player can make a very difficult shot without the appearance of any prior calculation? With all due respect, neither of these facts were previously unknown, especially to expert pool players. As you point out, practice allows experienced pool players to take difficult shots without large amounts of time to plan the shots, but this is not due to any process that particularly violates materialism.

How does it understand if my discovery can prove that the 'extra- measurement' efforts (like angles, degrees etc.,which('measurement') is the very basis of science) and the very object ball (which is supposed to be the reality) have nothing to do with the success of a shot made and that the success of a shot is dependent ONLY on the help of the mind of the subject (mental chanting) and on nothig[sic] else other than this 'mental chanting' ???
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I assume that it refers to materialism and the scientific establishment. In the future, I recommend you avoid using pronouns because pronouns are very ambiguous in the English language. Single question marks at the end of sentences will suffice. Emphasized words should be bolded, italicized or highlighted with *asterisks* or _underscores_, but never capitalized.

A person skilled in pool is able to measure shots based on angles, impulse and spin almost instantaneously because the human brain can calculate that quickly. For an even more complicated calculation, try throwing a ball at a target. You can do it with very little hesitation. By comparison the two dimensional calculations of a pool table are very simple, and visualization techniques can make those calculations even faster. If I was trying, for example, to bounce the cue ball off of the bank and into another ball, I might visualize a mirror above the table and hit the cue ball without any spin. This is because a cue ball, like most other particles, ricochets with an angle of reflection equal to the angle of incidence. In such a case the velocity of the cue ball is irrelevant, and spin has been eliminated as well. It’s actually a very easy calculation, and the mental image only helps to quickly make a physics calculation.

Additional measuring is superfluous because the measurements would be made with instruments less precise than the human eye and brain. Even a very high quality protractor and tape measure would likely have less accuracy and precision than an expert pool player because it would be difficult to measure from the center of gravity of the ball. Have you ever actually tried doing the math with precise measurements of each shot though? I expect that doing so would demonstrate the accuracy of Newtonian physics within the margin of error of the instruments.

Not having seen your technique, and not being entirely sure about what you are saying, I propose that you try making billiard balls go where you want them to while chanting your mantra with your eyes closed. If the hypothesis of metal calculation by visualization and intuitive knowledge of physics is incorrect, and all that matters, as you assert, is the mental process, then you should be able to make shots with your eyes closed.

Also how is it going to understand if I put my theory like this:
I would like to put it in the simplest way-"God is ALL
PERVASIVE."-We don't need to doubt His presence in any
thing.In what FORM He IS is actually unknowable (only
percepible[sic] if we don't keep our hearts 'locked').It's
like the plain reality that we do not have access to
what is going on in our sub coscious[sic] level.
Click to expand...


What you propose is a hypothesis, not a theory. It would be hard to know the difference because English speakers commonly misuse them, so I hardly blame you.

Because you have not demonstrated the inaccuracy of Newtonian physics with regards to pool, and because the pool table has been an excellent proving ground for Newtonian physics for years, and because you have not proved that the chanting of a pool player influences the direction of the ball by making shots with your eyes closed, there is no reason to propose an alternate model of the billiard game, much less a divine an unfalsifiable agent to explain it.

Quite apart from your assertions in your earlier post, “celestial spin” (which I assume means the spin of planets) is very well explained by physics in terms of angular momentum, moment of inertia, and torque. The reason the planets are still spinning is because there has not been enough torque exerted upon them to stop them spinning. I recommend looking through the “rotational mechanics” part of a High School physics text if you wish to know the particulars, or even looking it up online where it will be readily accessible.

Yet my 'discovery' could serve as a 'sample' of HIS
all pervasive ness..how He works under current...how
kind and fatherly of Him that He is ever ready with
His service at each and every genuine call of ours.
Click to expand...


As explained above, there is no preexisting inadequacy in physics that requires the existence of God to explain observed phenomena, with your observations on making shots blind pending.

My discovery(though just related to the area of
'aiming') is all that could show this world how a
'simple thought' on our mind (a kind of mental
chanting of it at the time of our stroke delivery)
could have TOTAL control of the direction and spin
motion of the ball...how our subtle mind (a power ful[sic]
'instrument' of God's expression... not the gross
brain) is helping us with a 'routine'( mental
chanting) that enables us to have directional control
of the ball on the table.It would be a wonderful
experience (where we can have a glimpe[sic] of that divine
inexplicable ecstacy[sic].) for every one(atleast for the
'targeting' players) how this 'mere mental chanting of
a simple thought'could work wonders and make us free
from all kinds of'externals' that would merely add to
the misery of our struggle with our ball and life as
well.
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You would first need to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt the existence of Cartesian dualism, which may or may not be possible, to prove this model in its entirety. For a slightly simpler feat, I recommend showing a statistical influence of thought on reality where all other possible factors have been negated as a source of influence. Lest you follow the path that has led to the frustration of others, come up with new material and do not just reassert what you have already stated here.


The essence of my theory or philosophy would be:"The very 'measuring attitude'(the basic tool of meterialism[sic]) is the sin ..the real nonsense and the cause of all the misery of mankind."
Your input is welcome.

Thanks,IMMSHARMA(immsharma@yahoo.com)
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If you are correct, and thought can influence reality to the extent you describe, you would still have to demonstrate that materialist dogma has been responsible for all human misery.
 
And here I thought you had gone away.

Oh well...

In the future, please try not to use misleading titles, as there is no 'Mind over Matter going on here.
 
zaayrdragon said:
And here I thought you had gone away.

Oh well...

In the future, please try not to use misleading titles, as there is no 'Mind over Matter going on here.
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In fact, there is barely any mind going on at all :rolleyes:.

Hans
 
My interpretation

IMMSHARMA found something

It does something

He was playing pool at the time

It is quite amazing and hard to explain

Have I got it.

My reality is shattered - where do I go from here.

Bentspoon
 
Mr.Nutrino,
Thanks for your input and also for your suggestions about the poverty of my language skills.

1.You said:
"Are you pointing out the fact that to produce clockwise rotation (right to left) you hit a billiard ball on the left side? Are you referring to the fact that an expert pool player can make a very difficult shot without the appearance of any prior calculation? With all due respect, neither of these facts were previously unknown, especially to expert pool players. As you point out, practice allows experienced pool players to take difficult shots without large amounts of time to plan the shots, but this is not due to any process that particularly violates materialism. "

As for the spin ,that we hit on the left or right to produce spin is illusion.Because the spin production actually depends on whether or not the 'mental chanting of a thought' is intact at the time of stroke delivery.

Practice enables the subject only to get a 'better feel' of the completion of this mental happening and those who has acuired a strong 'feel' of it are what we call masters and champions.

2.You said:
"A person skilled in pool is able to measure shots based on angles, impulse and spin almost instantaneously because the human brain can calculate that quickly. For an even more complicated calculation, try throwing a ball at a target. You can do it with very little hesitation. By comparison the two dimensional calculations of a pool table are very simple, and visualization techniques can make those calculations even faster. If I was trying, for example, to bounce the cue ball off of the bank and into another ball, I might visualize a mirror above the table and hit the cue ball without any spin. This is because a cue ball, like most other particles, ricochets with an angle of reflection equal to the angle of incidence. In such a case the velocity of the cue ball is irrelevant, and spin has been eliminated as well. It’s actually a very easy calculation, and the mental image only helps to quickly make a physics calculation.

Additional measuring is superfluous because the measurements would be made with instruments less precise than the human eye and brain. Even a very high quality protractor and tape measure would likely have less accuracy and precision than an expert pool player because it would be difficult to measure from the center of gravity of the ball. Have you ever actually tried doing the math with precise measurements of each shot though? I expect that doing so would demonstrate the accuracy of Newtonian physics within the margin of error of the instruments.

Not having seen your technique, and not being entirely sure about what you are saying, I propose that you try making billiard balls go where you want them to while chanting your mantra with your eyes closed. If the hypothesis of metal calculation by visualization and intuitive knowledge of physics is incorrect, and all that matters, as you assert, is the mental process, then you should be able to make shots with your eyes closed.

What you propose is a hypothesis, not a theory. It would be hard to know the difference because English speakers commonly misuse them, so I hardly blame you.

Because you have not demonstrated the inaccuracy of Newtonian physics with regards to pool, and because the pool table has been an excellent proving ground for Newtonian physics for years, and because you have not proved that the chanting of a pool player influences the direction of the ball by making shots with your eyes closed, there is no reason to propose an alternate model of the billiard game, much less a divine an unfalsifiable agent to explain it."

The very skill is,as said above,is nothing but acuiring a strong 'feel' but not the concrete knowledge of what that 'mental chanting' is and all the subject's understanding of his succes of his shot due to his 'measurement'(angles,degrees,focus on aim point etc.,) is,based on the 'Absolute Truth' of my discovery, just an 'illusion' because the subject is unaware that his mind 's help(with the necessary thought chanting) is the 'hidden cause' of his success.

As for making shots with eyes closed, yes-it's possible.If the subject is given the 'mantra' and asked to chant it as and when he delivers his stroke,he could make the shot even as his eyes remain closed.

The Reality is that whether the subject(a novice or a master) is willing to make his shot or not,when he is at the 'physical action'(hitting) the mind has already done it's duty(mental chanting) and what is awaited is the subject's mere 'knock' at the 'time' of this 'mental chanting'....what's more is that ,though the poor fellow(the subject) is unable to have the 'feel'of it and afer all his trying other 'measurements' and when finally he decides to hit,the mind(if undisturbed) is again ready to help him...whether the subject makes use of this help or not is the cause of the 'result(success or failure) of his action and it's what we call 'luck','fate'!!

Thanks,IMMSHARMA.
 
IMMSHARMA said:
As for the spin ,that we hit on the left or right to produce spin is illusion.Because the spin production actually depends on whether or not the 'mental chanting of a thought' is intact at the time of stroke delivery.
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Can you make a ball spin without touching it or hitting it with the pool cue?
Can you make a ball spin without chanting at the time of stroke delivery?
 
Donks said:
Can you make a ball spin without touching it or hitting it with the pool cue?
Can you make a ball spin without chanting at the time of stroke delivery?
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I have to admit I only skimmed. I caught the bit about spinning balls, but when did the stroking come in? Should this thread have illustrations?
 
TragicMonkey said:
I have to admit I only skimmed. I caught the bit about spinning balls, but when did the stroking come in? Should this thread have illustrations?
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Leave it to a monkey to make the ball stroking joke. And here I was trying to be all serious about things.

Yes, IMMSHARMA strokes balls, move on!
 
TragicMonkey said:
I have to admit I only skimmed. I caught the bit about spinning balls, but when did the stroking come in? Should this thread have illustrations?
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Personally I prefer cards. The problem is that both hobbies are associated with drinking and gambling. I think this is wrong because it can induce an unwitting customer into making poor decisions. That is why drinking and gambling really should be kept seperate, poker in the front and liquor in the rear.
 
RandFan said:
That is why drinking and gambling really should be kept seperate, poker in the front and liquor in the rear.
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I disagree. I think drinking and gambling go together very well, and I'd reverse the priorities. Given enough beer, anyone can get lucky and wind up with a pair of queens.
 
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