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Mind Over Matter !!!A proof.

IMMSHARMA

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Hello All,
I would like to share my thoughts with you.

I am IMMSHARMA and have done research on the subject of 'aiming' ..it's involve ment of human brain....in billiards........

The strange result is that human mind(irrespective of age,sex etc.,) does require to complete a simple (seemingly.... but complex in depth) routine-a 'mental process',along the line of aim, before we strike the ball to produce a spin motion in it and more amazing is that the 'routine' is to be applied(mental completion) in the opposite (back ward) direction of the line of aim in order to get a 'spin stroke' and that if the same routine is applied along line in the same forward direction to get a 'spin less stroke'.

Also...the results show that it's just impossible to produce the 'spin motion' in the required direction without the specific 'routine' (mental process) duely completed by the mind.

This 'routine'(my discovery) is unknown even to masters of the game except that they just do the required routine completion out of practice...just by feel without it's concrete knowledge.

Thus,apart from mechanical explanations of cause of spin,I feel,it can be proved that a specific mental process i.e the mind is the real cause of spin.

My conclusion is that ,in a way...the stroke knowledge pre exists in the mind and all that (out of practice)a player learns to get used to it (only by feel ..I mean not knowing it concretely)...Does it lead us to conclude that Mind is the all knowing entity and that all kinds of knowledge pre exists in the mind it self?

And as for 'celestial spin',it's known to all that one of the very fundamental questions of cosmology,the cause of spin of the 'celestial balls'-the erath and the other bodies,still remains unanswered(satisfactorily) by modern science.The question has been set aside with some 'vague' explanation......

So....based on my research results,couldn't it be convincingly proved that a ball (terrestial or celestial) DOES require a MIND at work with a SPECIFIC process/Then it's not hard to imagine whose MIND is behind the spin of the earth....in other words..doesn't this conclusion lead to the proof of 'Existence Of God' ? and is it not for us to conclude (philosophically) that what's true is "mind over matter"?

Your input is welcome..

Thanks,IMMSHARMA (immsharma@yahoo.com)
 
Huh, never heard this one before...

Argument from English:

1. You must think (unknowingly...) about billiards while playing in order to produce "spin" on the balls.
2. Unknown knowledge produces spin on spheres.
3. The Earth spins.
4. Therefore, God exists.
 
If a computer operated piston strikes a cue ball it will still "spin" due to the friction of the moving ball with the felt underneath it. Mental capacity or thought processes have absolutely nothing to the cause or effect of a cue balls rotating force.

As a billiards player I know the one can shoot the baseball equivalent of a "knuckle ball" (a ball that moves forward without rotating) but this is due to using excessive force and knowing that it will impact something (another ball or rail) before it has time to slow down enough for the friction to apply. With the limited amount of force one can generate and given a sufficiently long unobstructed table a "stop shot" would be impossible.

[edited to add]Welcome to the forum! :)
 
Since you can make things spin, I have a test.

Take a pixie wheel and mount it under glass, then concentrate on it until it spins.
 
IMMSHARMA said:
So....based on my research results,couldn't it be convincingly proved that a ball (terrestial or celestial) DOES require a MIND at work with a SPECIFIC process/Then it's not hard to imagine whose MIND is behind the spin of the earth....in other words..doesn't this conclusion lead to the proof of 'Existence Of God' ? and is it not for us to conclude (philosophically) that what's true is "mind over matter"?
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No.
 
I knew I'd read this nonsense somewhere before ...

Thomas Aquinas 1225-1274

An attempt to prove God exists because things move.

1. Some things move
2. For anything that moves, it's movement must be caused by something other than itself. In other words, if a given thing, "A", moves its motion must be caused by something else, "B". The motion of "B" must also be due to "C" etc.
3. It's impossible for this chain ofmovers to be infinite.
4. Therefore the first mover (being the thing which does not in itself move), but moved something else, must be God.
 
Benguin said:
I knew I'd read this nonsense somewhere before ...

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Im not sure about Thomas I have heard some talk of him but from what you posted, I tend to agree IMM is perhaps using that theory, but maybe not


So....based on my research results,couldn't it be convincingly proved that a ball (terrestial or celestial) DOES require a MIND at work with a SPECIFIC process/Then it's not hard to imagine whose MIND is behind the spin of the earth....in other words..doesn't this conclusion lead to the proof of 'Existence Of God' ? and is it not for us to conclude (philosophically) that what's true is "mind over matter"?

OK we know I believe in God but I dont buy whats said there. It is not how it works. FROM Gods perspective its not right.

IF IF (for sake of this thread) from Gods perspective if He created the universe then He would have made the Laws of nature set them in motion and thats that. Why from that perspective would He need to keep his mind on spinning the earth??

Methinks there is an attempt to prove oneself a "god" by susposedly "sharing" a trait. Unless he wants the million and is off for vegas
 ;)
 
Cosmo said:
Perhaps, but even something so simple as learning from one's past mistakes is a decidedly human trait. I'm not saying that it is beyond the realm of robotics and artificial intelligence, but it certainly is beyond the robots and artificial intelligences we have thus far developed.
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Not true.
 
LucyR said:
Not true.
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I disagree. Granted, we may have robots and artificial intelligences developed which can, to a degree, learn from past mistakes.

However, robots learning from experience to the degree that humans do - which is what was being discussed in this thread - is certainly beyond our capabilities today.
 
As Benguin points out, this appears to be a version of the venerable "Prime Mover" proof of God's existence. I suppose in this case it would be the "Prime spinner." Though it all comes down to motion, I suppose. It does have the nice property of managing to be both simple and internally inconsistent. :)

Back in Junior High I did a Science Fair project on spin on pool balls. Only particularly interesting bit I learned was that an unchalked cue basically does not spin a pool ball. The angle the ball took off was directed almost completely by the how far off center the ball was hit. Each ball took off in a straight line, a wonderful demonstration of vectors, but not at all what I was supposed to be demonstrating.

After pondering long and hard, I figured out that adding chalk added spin, and instead of straight lines to a distance I finally got some curves as the ball headed off.

As to relevance to the thread, well, rather clearly it was the chalk doing all the spinning, so clearly blue calcium substances are brighter than I, or closer to God, or something. ;)
 
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If a computer operated piston strikes a cue ball it will still "spin" due to the friction of the moving ball with the felt underneath it. Mental capacity or thought processes have absolutely nothing to the cause or effect of a cue balls rotating force.

Greetings Gulliamo
The above statment is 'absolutely' erronoius!
You are saying that 'a computor operated..." yet what is a computer?
What went into the design of the harware and software but THOUGHT PROCESSes...thus they have SOMETHING to do with it, rather than."absolutely nothing to the cause or effect of a cue balls rotating force."
Thought is behind every action
 
Moving Over

Having read the rest of the posts in this thread., I conclude that I think what is being offered is that we don;t need to understand or comprehend the intricities in order to accept the reality and indeed, shooting pool is a matter of allowing that which we KNOW exists and is quiet capable of calculating (one called this 'subconscious' attibute - we can bypass the drama of the show as it were and just shoot the shot! And Wolah!

This in itself would be a bit of a discipline to learn, to trust in the capabilities of the extreme intelligent awareness some label "subconsciousness' and maybe morph consciousness with this and transform the way we view LIFE.

:)

Imagine then the fun had, appling the pool priciple to everything we undertake to achieve.
 
Re: Moving Over

Navigator said:
Having read the rest of the posts in this thread., I conclude that I think what is being offered is that we don;t need to understand or comprehend the intricities in order to accept the reality and indeed, shooting pool is a matter of allowing that which we KNOW exists and is quiet capable of calculating (one called this 'subconscious' attibute - we can bypass the drama of the show as it were and just shoot the shot! And Wolah!

This in itself would be a bit of a discipline to learn, to trust in the capabilities of the extreme intelligent awareness some label "subconsciousness' and maybe morph consciousness with this and transform the way we view LIFE.

:)

Imagine then the fun had, appling the pool priciple to everything we undertake to achieve.
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Did someone hit you in the head with a pool-cue recently?
 
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