Mind Hacking

[Elagabalus]

... They diagnosed me with schizophrenia...

When?

 

[mikado]

Someone is definitely hacking my mind.. Its almost prank-like, at this point.. But we've been thru some pretty amazing things..

But there is most definitely someone hacking my mind..

sucks...

I have had people close to me feel the same thing, after good medical help their symptoms vanished. you don't need to feel like this, go see a medical professional, they can help,

 

[asydhouse]

[much irrelevant rambling nonsense snipped]


They diagnosed me with schizophrenia..

Bingo. TAKE YOUR MEDICATION, FOOL!

You are just indulging ignorant ******** when you "rant" all this nonsense. You have no grasp of the possibilities in reality, which is totally subject to the actual physics of the universe. All your speculations are just a waste of your time, and ours. None of what you are guessing at is possible, get it?

You've had some psychosis. Well so have I, and so have millions of others. None of it is happening outside of your own mistaken assumptions and speculations.

Do us all a favour and go back to the doctor and get some medication, and get some peace of mind, and get a *********** life!

If you just carry on indulging your illness, then yes, you are a troll. Fool.

 

[marplots]

Bingo. TAKE YOUR MEDICATION, FOOL!

You are just indulging ignorant ******** when you "rant" all this nonsense. You have no grasp of the possibilities in reality, which is totally subject to the actual physics of the universe. All your speculations are just a waste of your time, and ours. None of what you are guessing at is possible, get it?

You've had some psychosis. Well so have I, and so have millions of others. None of it is happening outside of your own mistaken assumptions and speculations.

Do us all a favour and go back to the doctor and get some medication, and get some peace of mind, and get a *********** life!

If you just carry on indulging your illness, then yes, you are a troll. Fool.

Victim blaming.

 

[mikado]

Not kind and not appropriate, IMHO

 

[asydhouse]

Not kind and not appropriate, IMHO

He knows he should be taking his medication. He's been diagnosed. He's wasting his life, and wasting our time. Pandering to his fantasies is not "kind".

He needs to get real, literally. He's not paying attention to what's important: HE NEEDS TO TAKE MEDICATION FROM A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

That's all there is to it.

 

[marplots]

He knows he should be taking his medication. He's been diagnosed. He's wasting his life, and wasting our time. Pandering to his fantasies is not "kind".

He needs to get real, literally. He's not paying attention to what's important: HE NEEDS TO TAKE MEDICATION FROM A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

That's all there is to it.

I don't know the circumstances, but not everyone can afford good care or medications. Maybe this forum is the only realistic option.

 

[asydhouse]

I don't know the circumstances, but not everyone can afford good care or medications. Maybe this forum is the only realistic option.

Well that's just sick! Being British, I had assumed that people in desperate need of help would receive it from the medical institutions.

If a man (assuming he's male, I haven't read his posts that closely to see any indicator, or remember it anyway) as unwell as the OP is just left to his own devices in the USA, it's even more of an indictment of commercialised medicine than people having to sell their houses and live in their cars (at best) to pay for cancer treatment.

If what marplots suggests is really the case, then jpick has my heartfelt apologies and sympathy. And also I understand now why you said he was a victim. I had thought he was a "victim" only of his own negligence and/or hubris in refusing medication.

In which case, I have no further contribution to make to this thread, other than to despair for the USA, and for jpick.

Please jpick, read my first post in this thread again, and believe me when I say that the ideas you have about being mind hacked are just not possible in this universe. Science is your only reliable guide to what's going on. And science has demonstrated that the things you believe are happening to you CAN NOT HAPPEN.

Stop worrying about it. You are safe. Be kind to yourself.

Really. Be kind to yourself.

 

[mikado]

He knows he should be taking his medication. He's been diagnosed. He's wasting his life, and wasting our time. Pandering to his fantasies is not "kind".

He needs to get real, literally. He's not paying attention to what's important: HE NEEDS TO TAKE MEDICATION FROM A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

That's all there is to it.

Have you ever been mentally ill, or know a loved one who is? Life is not that simple.

 

[asydhouse]

Have you ever been mentally ill, or know a loved one who is? Life is not that simple.

Yes I have had a psychosis, and I know someone who is a schizophrenic person who has periodically decided to experiment with stopping his medication, which invariably causes trouble for himself and his family. He simply needs to stop trying to do without, and he's fine. Now that he's done the experiment a few times he has finally accepted the reality of his condition, and is well and happy.

My own experience was caused by extremely stressful circumstances, and I've recovered on my own, but it only lasted a few weeks (I was in India and my paranoia involved the police, and I was literally running away from them initially, but soon I had all sorts of other interpretations of what was happening, which in my ignorance I could not discount. I sought refuge, and through quiet living and sleep and food I returned to a more calm and real existence. But it took me a couple of decades to come to know that my interpretations of what had been happening to me were impossible due to the limitations of possibility inherent in the "laws" of physics, which is to say the actual ways the universe behaves. For many years I would have symptoms of Post-Traumatic Stress and slip back into fearing that it had been real, but studying science eventually allowed me to dismiss that possibility as in fact not possible, and now I am stable, if prone to despair at the state of the world and some of the people in it.)

jpick has been living with his condition for years, and even has had diagnoses, so indulging him in his fantasies is not the way to approach his current condition. He's asking for help, and the only help he can get that is truly going to be of use is to tell him straight to get medication. He'd do better to sell his computer and buy medical insurance, in your American system, than to sit in his room trying to get people on the internet to play along with him.

And that really is all there is to it.

 

[dudalb]

Besides, it's not the military we have to worry about when it comes to mind hacking.
It's those damn Mutants we have to worry about......

 

[asydhouse]

Besides, it's not the military we have to worry about when it comes to mind hacking.
It's those damn Mutants we have to worry about......

To give you an example of what it's like to be trapped in a psychosis, at least from my experience: your jovial joking reference to the comic series and the movies they have inspired The X-Men which is all about mutant people with super powers, I would have read that word "mutant" and it would have set off a train of thought that punned into "mutt taunts", and then I would have heard the stray dogs which flourish in India barking distorted English language words in a threatening and taunting way... the mutts would be taunting me.

For more than two decades after I "recovered" from my alienating psychotic episode, I would occasionally hear birds "taunting" me in just such a manner... especially when dawn breaks and insomnia wears the mind down into that fearful vulnerability.

Now I have finally convinced myself that all that is simply impossible, and I no longer pursue such thoughts... and don't even start on them anymore. Moving to a house where birds are not so close to the house at dawn helped as well. But mainly, not indulging the thoughts, and being committed to a scientific world view are what has "healed" my mental habits of response.

I never went to a doctor, because I recovered on my own (through surrendering to the embassy, who put me in a house of horrible xtian evangelicals where I at least got some food and sleep, so I recovered sufficiently to return to Britain, where I lived with squatters and volunteered at Friends of the Earth's hq, which got my head together, so I've never had any psychiatric analysis or intervention... I'm one of those people who has had a temporary psychotic episode which isn't from congenital brain conditions, but was induced: my experience was originated by paranoia of police and certain real events in the Himalayas, exacerbated by lack of food and sleep, followed by ignorant and gullible "open-mindedness" towards so-called New Age ideas running away with my imagination in my interpretations of and focus on everything around me, including the Indian people who I thought were speaking distorted English about me or to me, which I was trying very hard to understand, because I thought my life was in danger and they were trying to teach me something, about getting to a higher level of consciousness, a test I needed to pass or die...).

It's not fun, although some of it was amazing and kind of wonderful, until it went bad again. It's like a trip that went on for several weeks... exhausting, wonderful, frightening to your very depths. If I was subject to that kind of thing, I would definitely go to a doctor and get some medication to bring me back down. And anyone who encouraged me to treat my experiences as really happening in the world, and not just in my head, would be a very bad person, making a very bad mistake.

jpick, if you read this, please get help. Get some medication.

 

[Sceptic-PK]

This makes sense to me. If I were being hacked by some unknown third party, I'd want to recruit someone for my team. It's like with computer hacking - I don't know enough to figure out how it's being done and to stop it.

Plus, the nice thing about hiring a professional is that it overcomes a serious problem with self-help. If I'm being hacked, I can't really trust my own judgement - at least not fully. The professional I seek help from isn't being hacked, so they are safe from this problem. In that, it's also like beating a computer hack. You always want to use clean media when you go to fight the hackers.

Anyhow, I thought the advice was pretty good.

This is some of your very best work at JREF Genuinely helpful and sympathetic given the subject matter, yet concurrently mockful.

 

[marplots]

This is some of your very best work at JREF Genuinely helpful and sympathetic given the subject matter, yet concurrently mockful.

Thank you. It's a generally useful method for woo. You accept the premises as stated, then extend them to reveal the consequences, eventually spiraling down to either absurdity or up to where you would have gotten if the premises had been rejected.

All of the fun without the contretemps.